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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    @Abhorsen Why should people follow the non aggression principle?
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    You think the Cold War was about economic policy? Yup, I'm pretty much convinced; at the very least, your brand of libertarianism is a handmaiden to socialism.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Because economic policy isn't the primary concern. Economic policy follows social and cultural ideas, not the other way around. For example, you don't create a Libertarian society by implementing Libertarian economic policies; you create a Libertarian society by promoting Libertarian social and...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Either/or fallacy. In reality, economies are NOT spread along a single line from Socialism to Capitalism. The reality is that the success of a government is far more dependent upon culture and tradition than upon its economy. That includes economic success.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Again, you're falling for the classic (false) belief that people are rational. Guess how most of the liberals from liberal states are voting when they move to conservative states? Liberal! That's what's flipping NC, Texas, and Georgia. Y'know, I'm going to end it here. If you're honestly...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Where do you think communism came from before college? Thin air? Socialism was big in America before the USSR existed. So how do the states maintain the ideological purity needed for socialism? Abhorsen, this is meant to be a Socratic exercise where I'm trying to get you to prove capitalism...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    See, none of those things actually maintains ideological purity. They're all just regulations to try to prevent people from regulating, but none of them actually answer the issue.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    If a Libertarian society does require some regulation, how do you maintain the ideological purity required to prevent regulation from going too far?
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Abhorsen, remind me, do you believe in natural monopolies, and do you think they need to be regulated?
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    I'm gonna be honest, Abhorsen, every time you open your mouth, its harder and harder for me to convince myself that this threads premise that libertarianism is a threat to society is wrong. The fact that you equate the terms 'modern day progressives' and 'megacorporations', and are trying to...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    @JagerIV You should stop using analogies, you seem to find it extremely difficult to create an even slightly accurate one.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Partly because its not really relevant in any other part of the world except Europe, and Europe is going to pay dearly in the next century or so (maybe even earlier) for not properly integrating its immigrant population. Africa is not someplace many people actually immigrate to, and when...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Okay, so define the word 'the.' And the word 'and.' And the word 'word.' Words are assumed to have their standard definition. No more, no less. Tentative yes, though I'd say 'necessary oppression' is pretty rare. A good example would be the occupation of Germany and Japan after WW2.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    This is just sophistry via using obscure personal definitions of words. If we're all slaves (which I think is a very dumb concept - words have meaning, and if you start trying to claim all humans are actually slaves by some indirect means your just diluting the meaning of the word slave), then...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    The fact that you're answer isn't an immediate no is all the answer needed. You're far too educated to not know what apologist means and what the implications are. It is absolutely invalid, because chattel slavery is not equivalent to a relationship. You're trying to create an equivalence...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    All right, I'm cutting through all this skittishness and asking about the elephant in the room: are you a slavery apologist - yes or no?
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    I don't trust anyone who thinks the high point of Western Civilization fell between 1000 and 1250 AD.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    Again, what people think about libertarianism affects any theoretical implementation of libertarianism, whether or not that is a reflection of your personal interpretation of libertarianism. How does a libertarian government enforce the ideological purity needed to remain a libertarian...
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    I disagree with the rest of what you said, but I agree with pretty much all of this.
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    Libertarianism as the Handmaiden to Socialism

    People who claim to be libertarians and who quote basic libertarian economic and social talking points affect any implementation of a libertarian government even if they don't meet your definition of being true libertarians. You're acting as though multiple competing power structures rapidly...
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