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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Sorry, got the Seventh Day Adventists and the Jehovah's Witnesses confused for some reason. That was who I was thinking of.
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    It might seem that way, but it's actually not. Most denominational differences come from points of belief that are pretty deep in the weeds... or in regards to how Church government is run. However, aside from some fanatical types, there is actually a fairly broad consensus on who can use the...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    No, they don't. The interpretation of the Establishment clause that prohibits those ideas is a very marginal one that has never held any sway in interpretation of the clause by the courts, outside of Justice Ginsburg's radical dreams, and the idea that the Federal Government would not recognize...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    It may seem odd now, but bear in mind prior to the US Civil War the primary way many citizens looked at the United States was more like how many Europeans see the EU. The United States wasn't a nation, rather, it was collection of small nations to present a united front to the outside world...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Going to go on a general rant here because, well, things are getting close to outright defamation of the Old Dominion here, and I think folks are much to quick to condemn and demonize while forgetting things that Southerners ACTUALLY did contribute. For instance, despite this so called "evil"...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    No it doesn't. It appears in the 1640s, which likely means it started to be use predominately in the 1630s (as historically there's a lapse in English usage between being a common spoken word and common written one). In the 1630s and 1640s Virginia was nowhere near being arranged along the...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Greatly depends on the Confederates and their post Civil War actions. As noted in the thread, many Confederates went on to be reunificationists and contributed to society in ways that had nothing to do with which side they were on in the War. Robert E. Lee and what he did with Washington...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Err... while I in general agree with you on mid 20th century racism, I'm not so sure that the mid 20th century machismo was inherently homophobic. That implies that it was worried or cared much about being seen as homosexual, but since homosexuality wasn't a major concern in the mid 20th...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    Birth of a Nation is mostly watched by college students studying film history because it's mainly remembered for the technical advances in filmography that were developed for it, not for any other reasons. Not exactly a bunch of Neo-Confederates that bunch of aspiring Hollywood types...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    My understanding was that the original idea of the KKK was much closer to being a "Confederate Veterans association with silly hats and titles" than what it later morphed into... That KKK was eventually quashed too, from my understanding, and the Second KKK from the early and mid 20th century...
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    United States Confederate Statues, symbols, and memorials debate thread

    What of ones on actually historic sites, like the statue of Stonewall Jackson at Manassas Battlefield National Park? Or do these fall under your "museum" clause?
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