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And you are making the positive claim that something that exists, which we cannot see except by its effects, ceases to exist.

No, you don't get to just declare your opinion on it as the default.

At this point you are simply restating your beliefs as if they were evidence for themselves.

I was asking you to tell me your reasons for believing it. A good thing we don't actually live in a world where living beings simply blink out of existence the moment they die - there'd be nothing for us to eat! Under the right conditions, dead bodies can persist for thousands of years, at...

Why do you believe that? Resurrection, reconstitution of a person who's unity of body and soul has been split by bodily death, is something God does. It's not a thing humans can innately do themselves. I personally think that confusing ideas and concepts with really-existing things in the...

But why don't they just stop doing that, and instead say what they mean in plain language?

One of the problems I had trying to make sense of Thomism (for example, by reading Feser) is that all the key words seem to mean something different from what they mean in normal-people English. "Form" being one of the worst offenders. That said, it would be helpful if @worm that walks , who...

I was going to offer a "hot take" on Plato myself, but I'd like to see where this goes. @worm that walks were you just doing a drive-by soundbite, or would you like to elaborate a bit about the Platonic conception of souls?

Plato was the pupil of a man who's big thing was about how he knew nothing at all.

Only a few people stood up to Plato, apparently...

I wouldn't agree with either of those being "the goal" of human life. Knowledge and power should be treated as means to an end, not ends in themselves.

If there's been more people like Archimedes, I wonder where things would be now...

Back up and rethink that. One of those things is not like the other. If Liberalism is something that developed from Christianity, and human rights developed from Liberalism, then it's not an "intrusion" like pagan Greek philosophy. But we'd need to be sure we were on the same page about what...

I'm pretty sure he is in fact of the race of Men. What part of his point do you have a problem with? (Besides the odd spelling of Christianity) That the classical Greeks, being pagans, did not have the same concept of human rights as Christians do? That slavery, and the idea that doing any sort...

I think Kravoka was being only half-serious, but a case could be made that much of current civilization is dystopic in various ways.

I've never accused you of lying about your beliefs! No, no I was not.

When have I accused you, personally? Thomism as such dates from the 13th century. Attempts to "baptize" Aristotle no doubt go back earlier than that, but anyway... What percentage of Roman Catholic pew-warmers are really educated in Thomistic thought? Maybe because it's the sort of thing one...

@The Name of Love maybe we could discuss religion and philosophy without your needing to make it all about you yourself, personally. The approach you are taking blurs together things that are, in reality, quite distinct. Thomism is not one and the same thing as Roman Catholicism. Not in...