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  1. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    It doesn't need to. As many others have already stated, everything about Origins is extraneous to the actual Theory of Evolution. People like fiddling with it because it's interesting but A. it doesn't need to, B. what has happened has odds of 1. And, of course, there's the lovely question of...
  2. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    ...dude, there is a difference between animals that would die of heatstroke in the Sahara, and animals existing in basically the same geographic area, with similarish plant life, and using spiracles to be bigger than a human. Environment is NOT Atmosphere. Show me the macroscale life that...
  3. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    That a random sampling is incomplete is not a surprise and not a problem with evolution. It is, however, a problem for the statement "God Created everything at the same time" given that many of these creatures fundamentally cannot exist in the same atmosphere.
  4. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Ah yes, your "I ran numbers years ago, I got this result", with no given numbers and a supporting guy who's of the opinion that actually it's all space virii. No idea where he thinks the space virii came from but he's pretty adamant that space virii are how new species happen. Great evidence...
  5. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Fossils and the dating of such are themselves a fundamental problem with any form of Creationism. The problem with declaring "improbability" is that the time scales are such that, well, it's not actually that improbable anymore. Well, the time scales, and the number of possible locations...
  6. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Dude... fundamentally, Spiracles need higher oxygen concentrations than exist today to permit creatures that size. And no geographic distance is going to explain that. Additionally, many of these fossils are found on top of each other, in layers of rock we can date as millions of years apart...
  7. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Yes. Mostly amphibians, which, btw, even today, breathe at least partly using their skin. Also, unlike spiracles, lungs are pretty good at extracting more or less oxygen based on need. That said, you can still get oxygen poisoning with lungs. So while an animal with lungs could exist in the...
  8. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    The bugs did not live at the bottom of the ocean or inside ice, or anywhere else that could have had that degree of difference. Problem, the bugs WEREN'T in some super low altitude with super high air pressure inflating the oxygen density, they were everywhere. Like, to clarify something, the...
  9. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Ah... Let me explain something to you, we have fossils that CANNOT FUNCTION in the same atmospheric mix. It is literally impossible for a number of these fossils to coexist AT ALL. On top of having fossils for things that exist in the same ecological niche in the same geographic locations...
  10. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Ah yes, "irreducible complexity". Just ignore Archeopteryx demonstrating simplified wing structures. Just ignore the "Lung Fish" demonstrating simplified air breathing apparatus. Just you know, insist that systems never start off doing something entirely different than they wind up doing. As...
  11. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Yes, and Evolution explains it, and therefore let's us be more precise with it, and tossing it out asks the question, "well, why not try something else" you know, like the Soviets did, that was 'fun'. No it's not. This is the fundamental misunderstanding of a lot of people, Evolution is NOT...
  12. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Hey, by the way, would you normally consider Lions and Tigers distinct species? https://crownridgetigers.com/lions-tigons-and-hybrids-oh-my Because female hybrids, whether Liger or Tion are fertile with Lions or Tigers. Oh, and, while a Lab Chihuahua mix exists, it's only via IVF(or unusually...
  13. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Ummm... but no though. My Position is "Evolution explains how life has changed" your position is "Evolution cannot explain how life first happened and is therefore bunk". Here's the problem, my position doesn't CARE how life started. I don't give a shit if God made the first bit of life. I've...
  14. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Ah, you're assuming that conditions on Earth when life first formed were similar to conditions today. They Weren't. Atmospheric Oxygen is, itself, a product of Life. There's far, far, more sources of energy on the primordial Earth than are extent today, including straight up, everything was...
  15. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    So? Again, I was pretty careful with my wording there. "arranged specific circumstances", the circumstances not being entirely 'random' doesn't mean it's not natural selection. For that matter, there's an interesting question of just how deterministic things are, because if they are...
  16. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Key problem. Evolution doesn't give a carp if God is involved or not. God could very well be involved, God might have made the first bit of life, God might well have arranged for specific circumstances to get certain species. All Evolution claims is that God did it over a long period of time...
  17. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    ...Dude... https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19726451-700-evolution-what-missing-link/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_fossils https://www.forbes.com/sites/shaenamontanari/2015/11/17/four-famous-transitional-fossils-that-support-evolution/?sh=75b5f2b02d8d...
  18. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    So like, undersea Volcano Vents? aka, that place we STILL find the most bottom of the sea life? But, ok, let's say, for the sake of argument, Evolution has no practical solution to biogenesis. Ok, how does that disprove it? So God made the first bit of life, what changes about the actual...
  19. ShadowsOfParadox

    Religion Creationism, Evolution and the Bible

    Because no molecule ever assembles in stages... ... ... ...Oh wait... look at all these rocks... https://www.britannica.com/science/metamorphic-rock All these rocks, defined by previously being something else and then changing under changing environmental conditions. Stage 1 A bunch of random...
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