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  1. Skallagrim

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Yup. This would generally presuppose a "no world wars" scenario, or at least one in which the Ottomans stay out (or side with the winners). This gives them enough breathing room for oil to be found, and then they're set.
  2. Skallagrim

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I'm pointing out a particular example that happens to illustrate a well-documented trend. The underlying evidence is provided by the actual actions of the Chinese and the Americans surrounding the whole bormbing affair, and in the subsequent period. That is: they worked very hard to brush it all...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    The Pepsi shows the trend: Chinese consumers wanting Western luxury, same way US business wanted access to cheap Chinese labour and exports. The weight behind those underlying trends is enormous, and some relatively minor rioting means absolutely nothing compared to that. (For comparison, the...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    That would require a lot of escalation. Quotes (which only go to subjective experience) notwithstanding, the actual events here involved protesters outside the embassy, some rowdy types throwing some plastic water bottles and shit like that -- not a "siege". Alarmism at the time was way...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Baby boomers didn't hatch from eggs, fully formed, the day after the USSR collapsed. What I mean is: yes, they came into their own at that time, but their ideas didn't just come from nowhere. You speak as if, just because the policies were implemented then, a simple POD at that same time can...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Do you imagine that policy in the '90s existed in a vacuüm? That it just happened out of nowhere? Things don't trace back to the '90s, because the things that you mention didn't just happen out of nowhere. You mention the WTO. Which was founded in '95. Cool. Why? What led to the political...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    There's a reason it took that long to happen. In '92, Perot and Buchanan were exponents of the same trend (anti-globalist resentment from the broader "right"), but that was still a minority movement. Bush beat Buchanan three-to-one in the Republican primaries. That's a pretty good indication of...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I consider that even less likely than a Perot landslide. Maybe if Bush just outright drops dead. And even then, same thing as with Perot applies: he would actually need a Congressional majority to back his policies in this regard, and I just don't see that happening.
  9. Skallagrim

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    That's not the claim I'm making. I'm pointing out the reality of delayed effect. It's not just Japan, that's only an example to illustrate what I mean. It's the whole American position regarding imports from the global market. You can trace back what happens when, and when it subsequently begins...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    I'm looking at the causes. The effects are, naturally, delayed. Especially when we focus on when they become very obvious. If we look at the Japanese economic miracle -- that started in the '50s, and their shift to massive exports came in the '60s. But the USA actually experienced the great...
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    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    Sure, though I think that's -- to a serious degree, at least -- a consequence of the larger trend. Industry, manufacturing, honest blue collar work as a whole... when they die out in a country, the cities die, too. Financial districts thrive, but those are near-exclusively populated by...
  12. Skallagrim

    Cities that could've been or could have been even greater

    His twenty(!!!) years in uncontested power certainly made things much, much worse than they had to be. The downward trend started much earlier, though, and even if the best possible person had been in charge of the city, it still wouldn't have reversed that trend. Detroit was screwed the moment...
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