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  1. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    @S'task, why are you like this? I've said over and over what I meant. If you still are saying crap like this: Then there's no way I can argue with you. I don't think you are an honest actor if you think you can honestly say that. I'm going to respectfully bow out. I don't think we're ever...
  2. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    :unsure: This, to me, looks like an argument. The argument being something like this: 1. There are two views of how art comes to be: Hobbesian-Romanticist idea (wherein artistic works are the product of an original authorial genius) and the consensus of pretty much the entire world up until...
  3. The Name of Love

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    You can always tell when someone is being a meta-sophist when they accuse you of not addressing their arguments while not pointing out which parts they're not addressing. I think it's obvious that my answer would be "yes." Ideas are discovered and received, not created by individuals. This was...
  4. The Name of Love

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    Hint: if it was self-evident, then all reasonable men would agree with it. Not only do I disagree with it, but so do a large faction of literary academics like Kembrew McLeod as well as people before the rise of Hobbesian Individualism. That's a sign that it isn't self-evident. No, it is not...
  5. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    A general theme running through your post, @S'task, is that you only seem to be able to refute my arguments by... not even engaging with them at all. When I said: Because all of our ideas are based on previous ideas that have come from other people, where "my" idea begins and "your" idea ends...
  6. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    Okay, I know I've been away from this forum for a long time, and I apologize. I've been caught up with real life business, what with the Coronavirus. I've been away from this topic for a while. But here's my case against copyright law in full. The first part of my argument is historical and...
  7. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    First, while time filtration is an observable phenomenon, the theory that time filtration explains why modern artistic works have declined in quality is, in fact, unfalsifiable, no less than mine. Theories about history aren't falsifiable in the scientific sense of the term. Of course, if you...
  8. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    See, in the case of the orchard, you are losing something physical. The apple in question can't be used by you now. If you had bothered to keep track of all the apples you owned, you'd know if someone had taken them even if you don't know who or when. In the case of the idea, the idea can still...
  9. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    You do find out about it, actually, because most private property is exclusive and rivalrous while ideas are the opposite. Dishonesty is unbecoming of you. Clearly, St. Thomas is talking about taking a blanket from someone of property, who won't miss the blanket. Most claims are. Including the...
  10. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    So you would compare all cases of accidentally violating people's intellectual property as my accidentally crossing into a neighbor's property without knowing it or who's it was? You'd only be able to do so if you "find out" about it. Doesn't that strike you as odd? I understand our views...
  11. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    No, it's not particularly normal. I can see for myself whether I'm on someone's land. They may put up a sign or a fence signifying that the land is off limits. Land is physical, unlike ideas. You can't get around the fact that there's no way to exclude others from using an idea except through...
  12. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    You keep bringing up "the financial interests of the guild members." When did I deny that this wasn't the case? Rather, the question is whether the financial interests should trump the campfire songs. And don't you think it's somewhat perverse that a person could be forced to pay for something...
  13. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    Let's assume Hobbes wasn't an Enlightenment philosopher. So? His view of authorship as well as those of his contemporaries led to the invention of the idea of the "author" and helped to justify copyright law as it existed in the 18th century. Furthermore, as Kembrew McLeod put it, both Locke and...
  14. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    I'd like to point out that the book I'm pulling these ideas from Owning Culture, was written in the early 2000s, so in the case of the Happy Birthday To You example, that's out of date, sure. But that's only a single example. I can give you many, many more examples, such as the fanmade magazine...
  15. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    Okay, @LordsFire, you seem to want to have this debate with me, so I'll have this debate with you. Okay, what "ridiculous premises" are you actually arguing against? Because I think you're all over the place. For instance, you seem to think copyright is justified because "without it, the big...
  16. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    That's because I don't believe there's any evidence that copyright law actually incentivizes creation in any way. Also, I do believe that any profit that comes from copyright is a form of rent-seeking. Rent-seeking is the very opposite of productivity. It's sitting back and letting the money...
  17. The Name of Love

    Copyright Discussion and Debate

    American conservatives have, historically, been in favor of most of, if not all of, the policies I list. Or are you saying people like Anthony Comstock and Phyllis Schlafly aren’t American conservatives? You can’t sue people who have more money than you. So if Disney really wanted to steal...
  18. The Name of Love

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    No, conservatism and libertarianism don't have "common roots." Conservatism is rooted in the philosophies of Edmund Burke and Joseph DeMaistre. Libertarianism is rooted primarily in the classical liberals like John Locke and the Levellers, anarchists like Pierre-Joseph Proudhon and Lysander...
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