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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Not exactly. The Democrat plan was for the Iranians to give up their nukes and for Iran to try to re-engage with the rest of the world on a more normal footing. The hope was to establish a new balance of power between Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Iran. Trump broke from this agreement, because Iran...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    I'm somewhat skeptical, since the current trend seems to be people burning their shit and running for Armenia. Especially with the Russians there. That's not even considering that some Armenians are likely to have taken Azerbaijani property from when the Armenians drove them out of the region...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Actually, from the looks of it, they're just leaving. No one is forcing them to go. And before Armenia complains...they did the same thing when they had control over the region. Armenia destroyed itself. Alienating three of the four powers around you when you're landlocked is idiocy incarnate...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    I disagree wholeheartedly. When Azerbaijan accidentally shot down a Russian helicopter, they immediately apologized to Russia, the families, and made immediate compensation payments to said families. That's not to say that the Turks are entirely happy with what the Russians did during this war...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    While I don't really keep up on Russia's near-abroad politics, I don't see how this was Russia's doing. Azerbaijan declared war on Armenia, after Armenia had stupidly alienated Russia and Turkey. Armenia's government leaders, thinking themselves more clever than they actually were, played...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Ouch, Armenia got completely bitch slapped.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Well, I'm not saying that Armenia didn't have any legitimate cause to retake the region, but we shouldn't treat them as if they're innocent babies. They happily used soft ethnic cleansing to strengthen their hold in the region. And then they were dumb enough to alienate Putin and piss of Turkey...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    I understand the support for Armenia in light of past Turk crimes against them, but I'm not gonna lie--I'm not really in Armenia's corner for this. I prefer to remain detached, but if I have to express an opinion on it; the territory does technically belong to Azerbaijan and the Armenian regime...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Ah, I'd forgotten about India! Yeah, that was a dick move Stalin would have been proud of.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Yes, but to be fair for the British and the French, it was more down to incompetence or negligence in a lot of cases. The Middle East for example, was drawn up on maps I think purely for the sake of their own strategic needs. Didn't consider the locals at all.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    I'm not judging them. It's simply fact.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    When it collapsed, yeah. Soviets were famous for drawing new state lines to ensure future conflicts.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Russia's position on this has been rather clear for a while. It does not recognize the territory that Armenia took from Azerbaijan as legitimate. Therefore, it is not required or interested to defend said territory. They will however, keep Azerbaijan from trying to press any attacks into...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    *Looks at the map* They're entirely landlocked. Who else could they possibly make friends with? Iran? Turkey?
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Well, to be entirely fair, Greece is basically trying to claim really large exclusive zones with all those islands, which would essentially cut off their coastal routes.
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    Yeah, but he was fighting Kurds. Essentially a non-threat as far as the rest of NATO is concerned and one that Turkey could handle on its own. It would be like the US calling in Article 5 to fight the Cubans. That changes if Turkey and Russia go to the mat. I don't think that will happen, but if...
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    Turkish-backed attack on Armenia by Azerbaijan with formal declaration of War

    I think it could get much worse. What it really comes down to is how much Turkey is willing to support its cousins in Azerbaijan while risking their relations with Russia. Last time Russia and Turkey went head to head on policy, Turkey backed down. This may be different though. Although Armenia...
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