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Let's face it, Kylo Ren is Star Wars' Ronan the Accuser (Guardians of the Galaxy Film Vol:1). The 'mewlings of a petulant child' who's destroyed by a dance off.

I think one of the most powerful/effective villains ever potentially would have been Batman if had actually killed Superman in order to protect the world. EDIT to ADD: It does several things: 1. It forces Batman to break his 1 Rule. The psychological ramifications of that on an already...

@LindyAF In this topic, I don't a 'loser' makes a good villain. All that gets us is someone that has power and no clue. Cue schmuck w/delusions of grandeur. He's the little man that the real villain casts in front of him to draw the ire of the heroes and make them expose themselves.

In what sense do you mean loser?

I think the only duel worthy of the name in the movies was when we got to see Voldy face Dumbledore at the ministry. Never really saw DD throw a direct attack so much as use situational magic to effect a defense and form an attack, like the fountain water encasing Voldy.

As for what makes a great villain... Competence: skilled enough to make the protagonist struggle to succeed Character: must be interesting enough to grab attention even if you don't sympathize with them (Hans Gruber) Intent: not like the Joker. I've never liked him as a villain simply...

@Bear Ribs I said those eight words after 1 episode of Breaking Bad. I never went back to it.