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That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was more that Roose was evil, but he would do things with a reason. Ramsay was the type just to drown kittens for shits and giggles.

If you're going to use GOT as an example, contrast Roose and Ramsay Bolton. Roose was a conniving, ruthless git, but he had his limits, he generally had reasons for doing what he did, no matter how twisted it might seem to us. Ramsay on the other hand was a petty minded, downright sadist...

An example of a win for both sides in a way is the Bond film On Her Majesty's Secret Service. Bond and co foil Blofeld's plans, however Bond loses his new wife which has a lasting effect on him.

Some victories for the 'good guys' in fiction are so bloody costly which isn't so bad. Raymond E Feist's Serpentwar Saga for example has a major toll on major and minor characters alike in the Midkemia universe. So much so that the series is pretty much changed forever. Granted, some...