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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Early 21st century, I believe. And Yeah, fair point about Iranian fertility previously being much higher. Possibly, though Hanania argues that occupiers don't have to sacrifice as much as insurgents have to due to occupiers having military superiority. Thus, a below average fertility is harder...
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    But Richard Hanania said that he couldn't find any examples of below-replacement fertility countries actually launching successful insurgencies! Of course, he was talking about Ukraine rather than Iran, but still, ...
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Both Nicaragua and Lebanon should be much easier for the US to handle since they have a much smaller area and population relative to Vietnam.
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    What about Angola?
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Had Nixon won in 1960, he might have very well followed up on the Bay of Pigs with a US ground invasion of Cuba. Would the Soviet Union really be willing to risk WWIII over this?
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    You mean like Cuba? Or Nicaragua? Or Panama? Or Grenada? The US actually intervened in the last two countries in real life, FWIW.
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    @raharris1973 FWIW, I view the great four (semi-)superpower proxy wars as follows: -Korea -Vietnam -Afghanistan -Ukraine
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    I wonder if the successful Communist coup in Czechoslovakia in 1948 could convince President Truman that China is "too big to fail" and thus have him rally a lot of US support for a large-scale US military intervention in China in an attempt to try tipping the scales there? But it's still risky...
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Agreed that Ho was both a Communist and a nationalist. And you forgot to mention Tito here. At the very least, he was nationalistic enough to personally fight for Yugoslavia in WWII--though he also subsequently repressed any nationalism that wasn't of the Pan-Yugoslav form due to his fear of...
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    @History Learner has previously challenged the assumption that Ho Chi Minh was more of a nationalist than a Communist: https://www.the-sietch.com/index.php?threads/the-united-states-tells-france-to-take-a-hike.4976/post-239608 At the very least, he was both. As for Vietnam becoming a...
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Imagine US troops drinking beer while Osama bin Laden and Mullah Omar right next to them drink some Coca-Cola! :D
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    Sending US troops into Afghanistan to fight the Soviets would certainly be interesting, but possibly rather dangerous due to the risk of a nuclear war, no?
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    A US that gives up on South Vietnam likely gives up on both Laos and Cambodia as well. As for Indonesia and Malaysia, they didn't need US help to avoid becoming Communist in real life. Well, not on any massive level like South Vietnam needed.
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    If there's no Vietnam War, could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where?

    If there's no Vietnam War (meaning no US escalation of the Vietnam War in 1965, such as due to JFK living, for instance), could there be some future war that would become a Vietnam equivalent for the US? If so, where? For instance, could the US have gotten involved somewhere like Angola and/or...
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