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    That is factually incorrect. He did not.
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    Which could have been avoided by just... complying.
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    Yes, but your understanding of it is askew. Context is the key, to damn near everything. Case law is... case law. Precedent does matter when it comes to verdicts of cases. Precedent doesn't really apply when it comes to if a prosecutor decides to prosecute or not. They're looking at the case...
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    One is innocent until proven guilty. If they were no proven guilty by a jury of their peers, the accused did not commit that crime in the eyes of the law. If prosecutors don't prosecute, it is assumed there is not enough evidence to warrant a trial. As it stands now, going by this logic and...
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    So if one person gets away with something, everyone needs to get away with it. And that's not true at all. Trump is being held accountable. So are Rudy Giuliani, Tom Barrack, Elliot Brody, Michael Cohen, Michael Flynn, Rick Gates, Paul Manafort, George Nader, George Papadaopolous, Roger Stone...
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    Rather, he's probably going to lose his legal cases because he's just so incredibly, obviously guilty with very little in the way of any reasonable defense to his actions. It's sad that the "Law and Order" President and his followers see... applying law and order as "biased". This is exactly...
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    Yes, but Congress also has power over national security matters. Such power does not rest solely with the Executive. The REAL issue at hand is that everything related to classification is... theoretical? The Constitution doesn't say anything about classification of information because... it...
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    ...but... the Department of Energy isn't the military. It's a part of the civilian leadership. This is only one part of it. There are... alot of things. The largest charge Trump is facing is the Espionage Act, which the classification of the documents is not particularly relevant. I don't...
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    Found some things. Article about declassification in power by the American Bar Association https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2022/10/fact-check-presidential-authority/ I was trying to read through the Atomic Energy Act but it's... alot. From what I have gathered...
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    Basic Laws and Authorities I am aware of the process. Once again, this is all over if you simply show me when Trump declassified the documents. That's it. The whole entire thing is over. Just provide the proof that they were declassified. Trump COULD have declassified them. He didn't. Trump...
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    That is the most utterly nonsense thing that has been said in this entire thread, and there has been alot of nonsense. There is absolutely no mechanism, precedent, or otherwise that suggests a President taking documents "implies" declassification. That is just flat out, objectively incorrect.
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    They're also still classified... so... A timeline of events leading to Donald Trump's indictment in the classified documents case Or we can go by the timeline of the indictment: Jan. 20, 2021: As Trump leaves the White House, he directs the movement of dozens of storage boxes to Mar-a-Lago...
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    Not at all. You're ignoring the facts of the case. The documents were classified. Trump was in possession of them. Those are the facts. Trump claims he declassified them, which would clear him. However, there is no evidence that this occurred, thus the FACTS remain that the documents were...
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    That's fine. We can disregard those accounts. It's still clear cut. Evidence doesn't need to be provided that they weren't declassified. That's nonsense and makes no sense. They were classified. Nobody is contesting that fact. We know 100% as a fact that were classified. We don't have any...
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    The "source" was "Trump said it". That's what I disregarded. But, for the hell of it... Ex-White House chief of staff said Trump stashed records at Mar-a-Lago because 'he didn't believe in the classification system' Trump Declassification Rationale 'Idiotic,' 'Chaos Inducing': Ex-FBI Agent...
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    https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/18/politics/trump-claim-standing-order-declassify-nonsense-patently-false-former-officials/index.html The two most relevant ones are Mick Mulvaney and John Kelly. (I know, I know, wah wah MSM) Regardless, even without the accounts. Let's just assume they aren't...
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    That is some incredibly roundabout, shoddy logic. The proof that such a memo did not exist is that such memo can not be produced. The accusation was that he was in possession of classified documents. There is no evidence that these documents were declassified. The prosecution has to prove that...
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    I don't think you understand what goalpost moving is. I don't like the source because the source is biased and unreliable. I'm asking for a better, more reliable source. Correct me if i'm wrong, but your source for dismissing accusations against Trump are the fact that Trump said he didn't do...
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    What proof did you provide? "Trump said it" isn't proof. All i'm asking for is the documentation.
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    It's a simple ask. Make a claim? Produce proof. That's it. That's all you need. The whole thing goes away with a simple "oh, here's the memo". Just one, single shred of evidence.
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