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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    On reflection, it brings up the question, why wasn't there much of historic slave trade of Europeans selling sub-Saharan Africans to Muslim customers in the Mediterranean, Middle East and North Africa? There was hardly any to my knowledge. North African Barbary pirates still found it more...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    Post 1700, when Russia has a Pacific coast, it has some coastal outposts and ports, if not Khabarovsk, a bit north. PLC sailing ships can go there with sacks of dried grain and salt pork in summertime, and collect payment in Nerchinsk silver and exotic furs that score high prices.
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    Looking at the society of 1600 continent of Polonia - (Sarmatia? if people want to be all classicist about it?) It is interesting because the PLC government will likely, as multiple suggest, defeat and crush the Crimean and Nogai Tatars to end the slave raiding threats, keep the Cossacks busy...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    touche. Some will make those profits, resulting in the addition of a West African and Malagasy element to the Ottoman slave pool and harems. As for attacks, few "traditional" maritime powers, western and Scandinavian, would be routine or constant attackers of the Ottomans.....unless the...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    I mean does it absolutely *have* to? It will not be getting a widening a creeping land border in Europe with Russia, which should be a security advantage for the Ottomans, OK. But the Ottomans will not benefit from an entirely closed or closable Black Sea, and in the 1600 scenario, in...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    1700 is way too early for Nader Shah (reign started in 1736) and certainly for Karim Khan Zand (reign started 1751). Instead, it is under one of the later, lame, harem-raised Safavids, an unimpressive dude and captive of the Hotakis in the last years of his life.
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    Very interesting scenario! One note on Gdansk. I do not think Gdansk will be wrecked by this feature, but Gdansk will lose its riverine connection and status as the outlet of riverine trade? Why? Because, if I am not mistaken, Ducal (East) Prussia's southwest border directly touched the...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    It is particularly long and tall, so hard to "miss" and easy to run aground on. Especially the 1600 version of the landmass that extends north to south from southern Estonia down to Wallachia. And the 1700 version, extending from Courland to Galicia & west-central Ukraine, while not as *tall*...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    And here's another version of pretty much the same basic idea. I'll call it, "it's so easy, even a Saxon can do it" Here, the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, but not the extra places like the Crimean Tatars, or Danubian Principalities, get teleported to the Pacific in 1700, right after Peter...
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    What if the PLC, Danubian Principalities, and Crimean Khanate are teleported to the Pacific in 1600 AD?

    What if frivolous ASBs teleport the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, the Danubian Principality vassal states of the Ottomans, and the Crimean Khanate/Nogai vassals of the Ottomans to the north central Pacific in 1600 AD? To avoid them landing right on top of the Aleutians, Alaska, or northwest...
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