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    WI: No Lend Lease

    Not the case. Britain finally paid off its L-L bill in 2015 IIRC. Some of the items came for free, or at least with other ways of paying for them but a lot still had to be paid for. By other ways I meant restrictions on British exports, free basing for US units later in the war - which I have...
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    So your response seems to be if X happened after the PoD date OTL it must also happen in the ATL, regardless of the size and impact of the PoD. To argue such and that you won't allow anyone to say "Ah but, this might not happen" means there is no actual debate/discussion as to the validity of...
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    Actually its not. That you have such a big change in 1933 means just about everything happening afterwards is potentially up in the air. Long could still die in an assassination event, or simply walk under a bus, catch a fatal illness etc. Or he could survive any and all of those. Given his...
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    Well that's stretching a hell of a lot. Imaging that Stalin had that much influence in the US in this time period. Especially since as you yourself point out Long wasn't exactly casual about his security. Definitely a possibility that if Roosevelt dies butterflies might mean Hitler also...
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    From what I've read Long was a major isolationist. I think his response to the idea that Japan threatened US interests in the Philippines was to give the colony its independence. If he did survive his assassination attempt, which is a decent possibility given it was ~2 years after the PoD, and...
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    I used the term reserve because that's what you quoted Jutes as saying in post #36 above. The forces you mention above are markedly higher than the 90k you were mentioning as facing AGC earlier in the thread. Actually I don't. We're making different interpretations of the same text...
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    Lordroel's site and the thread in question is at WWI day by day thread. At the top of that page is the video I gave a link to before. However if you can't get that the direct link is at #33 above but again is Stalin and the Red army at the start of Nov 41. I'm talking about what forces the...
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    Its the same site & thread I linked to in my last post on this issue. Furthermore those figures are from the start of November. I was making the assumption that large numbers of trains, wagons and staff supplying both German and Italian forces in N Africa via the Italian railway network...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    Further to the situation on the eastern front in late 41 - seen the latest post on Lordroel's site of the WWII day by day videos, which can be seen at WWII for week starting 1-11-1941, there is some interesting figures. It states that a) By this stage the campaign had cost Germany 686,000...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    Only if the Germans actually capture Moscow. While your quoted only 90,000 troops in the way of the German attack on Moscow I also see a figure, from Lordroel's site, of ~80 divisions opposing the Germans. Clearly you don't understand. I'm not talking about the motor vehicles I'm talking...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    But he did make such a commitment OTL and hence could have done TTL. Which shows that you don't understand what I was saying. Its not the material or personal being moved. Its that they need to be moved by rail - along with supplies to support them. This takes railway capacity which can't...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    That seems strange since Stalin committed himself to staying in the capital. I suspect militia did fail badly in some cases but not in all and in urban fighting their limitations would be reduced. Especially if their local which means their both motivated to defend their homes and know the...
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    Ah we might have been at cross purposes here. I misunderstood what you were saying as 90,000 troops inside Moscow. As such IF the Germans could get to the city they would have a chance to occupy it. [Depending on how much they could get in compared to any emergency militia the Soviets could...
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    HL a) Right, I'll say it again. Reaching Moscow, even with more forces and earlier than OTL is not necessarily taking it. As I've said before its like Stalingrad but earlier and on a much bigger scale. Urban fighting is bloody difficult for an attacker, especially one at the end of a long...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    Because reaching the outskirts of Moscow, as they did OTL is not the same as capturing it. You were assuming that the Germans were able to make a serious attack on the city. It follows that if this occurs and it doesn't succeed then a chunk of the German army is burnt up in urban fighting and...
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    HL Two basic points. a) Yes with no L-L a victory for the Soviets will be a lot more costly and possibly impossible. However if the Germans suffer worse in late 41 because they get a more exposed position and seem much of AGC consumed in a murderous battle for Moscow, possibly followed by...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    HL Short of time because its late here. Will try and reply to other posts tomorrow. a) Assuming everything else will stay the same despite big butterflies is a big assumption and doesn't seem at all likely. Some basic trends will be there but for most/all the small issues to repeat pretty...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    HL Sorry posting in a bit of an hurry but you are right about Hitler already securing power before the assassination. :oops: How the rest goes depends on circumstances. The US was in a very bad way in Feb 33 and with the sudden death of the President that's going to make matters worse. Also...
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    WI: No Lend Lease

    With a POD in 33m especially removing FDR the entire world is likely to change by 1939 so difficult to tell what would be happening. Germany, assuming the Nazis still gain power are going to be a big threat but apart from anything what sort of state would the US be in? If there's no or...
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