AHC: Additional realistic cases of similar peoples who hate each other?

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WolfBear

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Which additional realistic cases of similar peoples who hate each other can you realistically think of? I mean hypothetical cases as well as real-life cases. In real life, we have:

-Russians and Ukrainians
-Ethiopians and Eritreans until the last several years
-Indians and Pakistanis (only their religion separates them)
-Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs (only their religion separates them)
-Serbs, Bosniaks, and Croats (only their religion separates them)
-Sunni and Shi'a Arabs in places such as Iraq (only their religion separates them), though in their case, the hate might be considerably less severe since Shi'a Arabs did liberate Sunni Arabs from ISIS, et cetera.

Anyway, though, who else might have realistically qualified for this, either in real life or in an alt-TL? And are there any real-life examples of this which I am missing/forgetting to list here?
 
WolfBear said:
Which additional realistic cases of similar peoples who hate each other can you realistically think of? I mean hypothetical cases as well as real-life cases. In real life, we have:

-Russians and Ukrainians
-Ethiopians and Eritreans until the last several years
-Indians and Pakistanis (only their religion separates them)
-Israeli Jews and Palestinian Arabs (only their religion separates them)
-Serbs, Bosniaks, and Croats (only their religion separates them)
-Sunni and Shi'a Arabs in places such as Iraq (only their religion separates them), though in their case, the hate might be considerably less severe since Shi'a Arabs did liberate Sunni Arabs from ISIS, et cetera.

Anyway, though, who else might have realistically qualified for this, either in real life or in an alt-TL? And are there any real-life examples of this which I am missing/forgetting to list here?
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If Confederates manage to create nation,we would have it in USA.
 
ATP said:
If Confederates manage to create nation,we would have it in USA.
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That's actually a pretty good analogy, I think. Northerners might resent Southerners as backward racist bigots while Southerners might resent Northerners as Negro-lovers or something like that.
 
Well, it's not ATL, but I don't suppose Cambodians and Vietnamese also qualify for your OTL list?
 
Zyobot said:
Well, it's not ATL, but I don't suppose Cambodians and Vietnamese also qualify for your OTL list?
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I don't think that their hate for each other is as severe as it was in the past due to the Vietnamese liberating Cambodia from the extremely murderous Khmer Rouge, though.
 
WolfBear said:
I don't think that their hate for each other is as severe as it was in the past due to the Vietnamese liberating Cambodia from the extremely murderous Khmer Rouge, though.
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Yeah, must've been thinking of Pol Pot when I posted that, though he did draw on a long rivalry between the two that went further back than just the 20th century.

Although, now that I think about it, I don't suppose a scenario in which a "Nazi" China arises and despises Indochinese ethnic groups in the same way Hitler despised Slavs is possible? I know it's not totally original, since the "roots" of anti-Han xenophobia were there IOTL, albeit without growing into nearly as big (or genocidal) a tree as Nazism did over in Europe.
 
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Zyobot said:
Yeah, must've been thinking of Pol Pot when I posted that, though he did draw on a long rivalry between the two that went further back than just the 20th century.

Although, now that I think about it, I don't suppose a scenario in which a "Nazi" China arises and despises Indochinese ethnic groups in the same way Hitler despised Slavs is possible? I know it's not totally original, since the "roots" of anti-Han xenophobia were there IOTL, albeit without growing into nearly as big (or genocidal) a tree as Nazism did over in Europe.
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The problem is that China didn't have all that much industrial power back then, and a lot of what it did have in Manchuria was taken over by Japan in 1931. So, such hatred wouldn't make all that much sense because it wouldn't actually have the necessary military power to realize this vision.
 
WolfBear said:
The problem is that China didn't have all that much industrial power back then, and a lot of what it did have in Manchuria was taken over by Japan in 1931. So, such hatred wouldn't make all that much sense because it wouldn't actually have the necessary military power to realize this vision.
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Sorry, I meant more of a further-back PoD in which China develops international power projection much earlier, allowing it to invade its neighbors and have a real shot at Pacific hegemony.

Now that you mention it, though, I don't suppose a Nazified Imperial Japan is possible? True, they'd be massively outnumbered by the Chinese and other "inferior" Asian groups they deem "undeserving of life" or "best fit for slave labor", but as the German example has shown, rationality is a critical weak point for such regimes. :(
 
Zyobot said:
Sorry, I meant more of a further-back PoD in which China develops international power projection much earlier, allowing it to invade its neighbors and have a real shot at Pacific hegemony.

Now that you mention it, though, I don't suppose a Nazified Imperial Japan is possible? True, they'd be massively outnumbered by the Chinese and other "inferior" Asian groups they deem "undeserving of life" or "best fit for slave labor", but as the German example has shown, rationality is a critical weak point for such regimes. :(
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Yes, that would be more realistic.

Well, WWII Japan was sort-of Nazified. It wasn't formally Nazi, but it did have its own vision of regional domination comparable to that of the Nazis, though perhaps somewhat less brutal:


Japan's government also discussed racial theory in relation to this:


And of course it certainly went on a wide conquering spree:

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Really, if you want to focus on Fascist regimes intent on conquering their neighbors, you can take a look at:

-Nazi Germany
-Fascist Italy
-Imperial Japan
-Putin's Russia

Who exactly am I missing here? Obviously there were minor players like WWII Romania and Hungary, but Hungary merely wanted to reclaim its lost territories and the same was also true for Romania, with Romania only apparently wanting to use Transnistria and Odessa as a bargaining chip to eventually get Northern Transylvania back from Hungary.
 
As for why exactly Cambodians have historically hated the Vietnamese, it might have something to do with the historical Vietnamese land grab of historically Cambodian territories:


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Vietnam had its own version of Lebensraum in the past. Interestingly enough, the Vietnamese Communists replicated the Nam tien ideology when they expanded from North to South during the Vietnam War, though in their case, they aimed to spread their Communist ideology and to reunite the Vietnamese people rather than to acquire additional Lebensraum.
 
Maybe if Russia will ever do to Belarus what it is currently doing to Ukraine, then Belarusians will also begin to severely hate Russia just like Ukrainians currently do?
 
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