Culture Anti-Semitism and Collective vs. Individual Guilt

[ThatZenoGuy]

Really? prove me wrong then! It's telling you accuse me of Jewish supremacy propaganda when all I am doing is listing the bare basic facts and you are unwilling to do anything otherwise to disprove them!

What's the point? If I did a mirrored version explaining how any other race is totally superior due to questionable historical claims I'd get crucified just like how the jews did it to Jesus. Seems to me like there's some bias going around and it's all one way. And it's always one way, on every website other than some of the most backwater no-rules ones on the internet.

So no, I won't prove you wrong, because I simply deny the claim you're right. And of all websites you used one of the most comically inaccurate ones ever, Wikipedia lmao.

Might as well go to "Der Sturmer" for your history lesson on the jews. Its no less biased.

Except I am not arguing that Jews are a superior culture or race, there is no such thing! I am merely arguing that their culture and circumstances allowed for them to achieve an early an unrivaled advantage in the world's financial sector at a time in which it was about to explode and that because of this they achieved wealth which drew the envy of others, the fact that they were social outcast and had no nation on a national level to stand for them didn't help.

I don't see how it's a crime or racist to point out the undisputed fact that Jew's lacking in usuary bans in regard to Christians is what resulted in their hegemony is the early days of the financial sector, nor is it a crime to point out that antisemitism chiefly formed as a result of people growing envious of the massive wealth they got by doing so.

You want to disprove me? I can give you a way to do it! Give me a real alternative reason that antisemitism became a thing!

Antisemitism became a thing because as it turns out, religious blood cults piss EVERYONE off. Christians go to some shithole and start fucking up their culture, Islamists go to some shithole and fuck up their culture.
AND JEWS SHOW UP AND FUCK WITH THEIR CULTURE.

I like how most people admit their faults 'Yeah we shouldn't have fucked up those native Americans, yeah we shouldn't have genocided the tasmanians' and so on. But jews? Oh heaven forbid they ever admit to anything! We totally didn't do ANYTHING to piss anybody off! They were all just jealous of how superior and chosen we are!

Even their smug retarded insistence of being 'chosen' is grounds to dislike them, imagine if your neighbour proclaimed some sort of universal superiority because his lawn is greener or something, you'd probably want him to move away for such a tiny incident.

There's fucking Guatemalan villagers who have seen White people twice in their lives who murmur "Fucking jews...". What? Are they secretly antisemite nazis or something? They barely even know what a fucking jew IS.

Jews expelled from Guatemala village

Lev Tahor community “forced out” after villagers say they felt intimidated by the group’s lack of contact with locals.

www.aljazeera.com

When people in history continuously get expelled for being massive assholes, it's usually for a reason, even if the reason is exaggerated or embelished. Or, what? Mongolians were secretly peaceful spreaders of the word of Ghengis and anything to the contrary is some sort of hatecrime?

What are you a sixteen-year-old looking for permission? Post what you want and face criticism or don't, I won't have you using me saying 'yea' or 'nay' as a casus beli to act up or play the victim, much less to say I or the staff in anyway approve or disprove of that line of talk, even beyond that, the rules is LordSunhawks prevue as he as the site owner and is responsible for what is or is not an infraction, not myself.

If you want my opinion however outside what the rules on the subject it's highly dependent on what argument you are making, you will receive no brownie points from me for deciding to argue anything like eugenics or one races 'inherent superiority' by blood and will receive mine and most likely this entire sites ridicule.

It is another subject entirely to argue that based off culture, circumstance, politics and geography that one group of people may have lacked or acquired an edge which allowed others to gain an advantage or disadvantage in an area of societal development.

All of that is a topic for another thread, what is the topic at hand is Antisemitism and my argument for why an how it developed has yet to have been refuted by you in any meaningful way.

Oh I see, so pro-jewish sentiment IS the only allowed proclamation of superiority, got it. I don't feel convinced that any other 'FUCK YEAH MY KIND RULEZ' is allowed, so the bias is obvious.

Have you absolutely no idea how condescending and retarded that is? "Oh yeah secretly everyone hated the jews because they washed their hands and were good with money, yup! No other reasons! None at all! It was just angry dirty christians upset about their chosen superiors".

I know hypotheticals are so useless nowadays but imagine we were in tipsy topsy land and somebody wrote this on a forum, would that at ALL be accepted today?

Loxism is a joke of an ideology birthed out of jealousy of medieval merchants and great rabbis or kings who envied and coveted the White wealth which they made by loaning money and charging interest a thing which jewish bankers couldn't do because of the jewish bans on usuary a policy which severely hampered the growth of any jewish Finacial sector and gave Whites an unprecedented lead in that area which they maintained for quite awhile.

Another practice which made Medival jews suspicious of Whitesbeyond their wealth was White Practice concerning hand washing.

>Biased Der Sturmer Link

Specifically White customs requires a lot of hand washing this curbed a lot of disease outbreaks among their insular communities and when jews took note of that it made the Whites look suspicious for the peasants of the time and an easy target for Rabbis and kings who wished to plunder the local bank branch.

It was all originally just a get rich quick scheme and the Whites are an easy scapegoat, the Loxist of today is equally an idiot as his peasant predecessor, while I don't deny there are wannabe puppet masters in the shadows, the Loxist is a tunnel visioned moron unable to comprehend that the Whites are no longer the undisputed controllers of the financial world like old and just like the Mossad crowd the modern Loxist has an unimaginative mind when it comes to who would exactly be in control of such a scheme.

The fact is that our world is under sway by a 1% of hedonistic and autocratic individuals consisting of businessmen, stockbrokers, bankers and politicians of every, race, religion, sexuality and creed who don't give a damn about any of the so-called labels Loxists try to place on them to justify their ideology and in fact they probably inwardly applaud them because it makes the argument that anybody may be in control in the background that much more difficult providing an ample smoke screen directed away from a vast majority of them.

Look around you most of our enemies are out in the open! And those that are in the shadows aren't just any one group that you dislike!

Yeah, those damned silly jews, jealous of our Aryan supremacy, they should know better than to judge their betters.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

What's the point? If I did a mirrored version explaining how any other race is totally superior due to questionable historical claims I'd get crucified just like how the jews did it to Jesus. Seems to me like there's some bias going around and it's all one way. And it's always one way, on every website other than some of the most backwater no-rules ones on the internet.

People tend to be biased towards you if your claims are idiotic the concept is far from unnatural. As for The jews are responsible for killing Jesus! Forgive me but when Jesus was resurrected, he didn't give a damn about it or explicitly blame them and tell his followers to do the same so why should I as a Christian care?

So no, I won't prove you wrong, because I simply deny the claim you're right. And of all websites you used one of the most comically inaccurate ones ever, Wikipedia lmao.

Might as well go to "Der Sturmer" for your history lesson on the jews. Its no less biased.

What would be a trusted source then pray tell? Mein Kampf? Stormfront? AlJazeera? You argue for the Jewish World conspiracy existence and yet ignore the cornerstone of that belief being that the Jews have control of the financial system by denying they ever got ahold of it to begin with? That is so damn bizarre.

Antisemitism became a thing because as it turns out, religious blood cults piss EVERYONE off. Christians go to some shithole and start fucking up their culture, Islamists go to some shithole and fuck up their culture.
AND JEWS SHOW UP AND FUCK WITH THEIR CULTURE.

I can't even be bothered to give an eyeroll over this, do you blame them for the rise of Jazz music like Ford did?

I like how most people admit their faults 'Yeah we shouldn't have fucked up those native Americans, yeah we shouldn't have genocided the tasmanians' and so on. But jews? Oh heaven forbid they ever admit to anything! We totally didn't do ANYTHING to piss anybody off! They were all just jealous of how superior and chosen we are!

Even their smug retarded insistence of being 'chosen' is grounds to dislike them, imagine if your neighbour proclaimed some sort of universal superiority because his lawn is greener or something, you'd probably want him to move away for such a tiny incident.

Sounds like my exact opinions on antisemites.

There's fucking Guatemalan villagers who have seen White people twice in their lives who murmur "Fucking jews...". What? Are they secretly antisemite nazis or something? They barely even know what a fucking jew IS.

Probably because Jews exist everywhere, and highly conservative South and Central American Catholicism where highly influenced by the Inquisition Spanish Catholics when being colonized but you probably instinctually assume it's because they know the truth that Jews sacrifice babies and drink their blood in dark cult rituals.

Also speaking of dubious or biased sources...

What's the point? If I did a mirrored version explaining how any other race is totally superior due to questionable historical claims I'd get crucified just like how the jews did it to Jesus. Seems to me like there's some bias going around and it's all one way. And it's always one way, on every website other than some of the most backwater no-rules ones on the internet.

So no, I won't prove you wrong, because I simply deny the claim you're right. And of all websites you used one of the most comically inaccurate ones ever, Wikipedia lmao.

Might as well go to "Der Sturmer" for your history lesson on the jews. Its no less biased.

Antisemitism became a thing because as it turns out, religious blood cults piss EVERYONE off. Christians go to some shithole and start fucking up their culture, Islamists go to some shithole and fuck up their culture.
AND JEWS SHOW UP AND FUCK WITH THEIR CULTURE.

I like how most people admit their faults 'Yeah we shouldn't have fucked up those native Americans, yeah we shouldn't have genocided the tasmanians' and so on. But jews? Oh heaven forbid they ever admit to anything! We totally didn't do ANYTHING to piss anybody off! They were all just jealous of how superior and chosen we are!

Even their smug retarded insistence of being 'chosen' is grounds to dislike them, imagine if your neighbour proclaimed some sort of universal superiority because his lawn is greener or something, you'd probably want him to move away for such a tiny incident.

There's fucking Guatemalan villagers who have seen White people twice in their lives who murmur "Fucking jews...". What? Are they secretly antisemite nazis or something? They barely even know what a fucking jew IS.

Jews expelled from Guatemala village

Lev Tahor community “forced out” after villagers say they felt intimidated by the group’s lack of contact with locals.

www.aljazeera.com

When people in history continuously get expelled for being massive assholes, it's usually for a reason, even if the reason is exaggerated or embelished. Or, what? Mongolians were secretly peaceful spreaders of the word of Ghengis and anything to the contrary is some sort of hatecrime?


Oh I see, so pro-jewish sentiment IS the only allowed proclamation of superiority, got it. I don't feel convinced that any other 'FUCK YEAH MY KIND RULEZ' is allowed, so the bias is obvious.

Have you absolutely no idea how condescending and retarded that is? "Oh yeah secretly everyone hated the jews because they washed their hands and were good with money, yup! No other reasons! None at all! It was just angry dirty christians upset about their chosen superiors".

I know hypotheticals are so useless nowadays but imagine we were in tipsy topsy land and somebody wrote this on a forum, would that at ALL be accepted today?


Yeah, those damned silly jews, jealous of our Aryan supremacy, they should know better than to judge their betters.

You know what I am just stopping here at this point your whole post has just devolved into an Among Us rant where you are accusing player "Jew" of being the imposter.

"Everyone in history thinks they are sus and I don't like them because 'Reasons' which I shall blame them for but not explain."

As for me sounding condescending? Yes, I can afford to be, because unlike you I have the complete and utter fortitude of someone who knows they are right as clockwork and as sure as the sun rises and set's, against someone who is all bluster over substance and with the complete knowledge that you are right how can you not be arrogant?

You have made your stance clear, but honestly that isn't enough, your stance is without logic, plain and simple, you can't refute anything I have said, even when it's from a source you yourself find dubious (Wikipedia) and if you have no more confidence in your belief to dispel the truth's I offer which you claim to be lies, than that why should I bother to even combat your drivel?

Come back to me later when you are able to offer a detailed explanation of your belief that is worth our time.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

We obviously disagree, you're not going to change your mind and I am not going to change my mind. So I just hope that you have a nice day and wish you good fortunes.

 

[LordsFire]

Isn't this post basically a giant lump of jewish supremacy propaganda? So if you're allowed to post that, can I make a giant racist post explaining how Whites are just so much superior to blacks for a bunch of questionably factual historical events?

Or is that privledge only allowed for pro-jewish sentiment?

...You need to step back, take a deep breath, and learn to read tone better.

The post you reference here is not 'a giant lump of jewish supremacy propaganda,' any more than noting that the Chinese going isolationist for a couple centuries crippled their technological development, and is part of what made them vulnerable to European power in the late age of sail, is 'a giant lump of European supremacy propaganda.'

Or noting that communism tends to starve millions of people to death is 'a giant lump of American supremacy propaganda.'

That you react so vociferously to a fairly calm recounting of particular tidbits of history says a lot more about you than it does the person posting said history, and what it said is not good.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

That you react so vociferously to a fairly calm recounting of particular tidbits of history says a lot more about you than it does the person posting said history, and what it said is not good.

Nonsense, I've seen all this stuff before, it happens on basically every website and never ever does the opposite get spoken.
How come whenever someone in history is treated badly we assume "Well maybe they had it coming to them? Maybe there's a bit of truth and a bit of fiction involved?" but when a very specific ethno-religious blood cult gets involved they're immediately the victims of a 2000+ year old conspiracy that is totally and unquestionably the fault of everybody but themselves?

"Why do people hate the Chinese? Why does Sinophobia exist?" Well it's because in history there are several events that people found distasteful, these are all verified and while it can be deemed offensive they remain true. It is ultimately up to the individual to overlook history and to judge people individually however!

"Why do people hate Africans? Why Afrophobia?" Well it's because in history there are several events that people found distasteful, these are all verified and while it can be deemed offensive they remain true. It is ultimately up to the individual to overlook history and to judge people individually however!

"Why do people hate Arabs? Why Islamophobia?" Well it's because in history there are several events that people found distasteful, these are all verified and while it can be deemed offensive they remain true. It is ultimately up to the individual to overlook history and to judge people individually however!

"Why do people hate Jews? Why Antisemitism?" Well because there was a grand conspiracy throughout history involving the jealousy that dirty peasants had over the fact Jews knew how to wash their hands, plus the Jews knew how to use money so the dirty peasants got jealous of that too! To this very day antisemitism is nothing more than a silly superstition against the proud, industrious and trustworthy jewish peoples. They never, REPEAT, NEVER DID ANYTHING WRONG! If you say otherwise, you're an antisemite too!

YOU might not notice it, heck, a lot of people don't notice but. But I am afraid I do. If you disagree, that's fine. But there's zero conversation to be had here.

 

[LordsFire]

YOU might not notice it, heck, a lot of people don't notice but. But I am afraid I do. If you disagree, that's fine. But there's zero conversation to be had here.

Do you understand that you are coming across as a raving lunatic?

I'm not saying this to insult you. I'm not saying this as disagreement with your point.

I'm saying whatever you do or don't believe in, the way you are talking about it makes it come across as crazy.

And a lot of that is in your incredibly over-zealous responses to things people say, that have little to nothing with what they actually said.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Do you understand that you are coming across as a raving lunatic?

I'm not saying this to insult you. I'm not saying this as disagreement with your point.

I'm saying whatever you do or don't believe in, the way you are talking about it makes it come across as crazy.

And a lot of that is in your incredibly over-zealous responses to things people say, that have little to nothing with what they actually said.

Agree to disagree man, if you don't like the post just don't look at it. If you don't get what I'm trying to say, there's no point of me trying to explain it. You won't agree with it, ever, for reasons I am well aware of and that's okay by me.

 

[LordsFire]

Agree to disagree man, if you don't like the post just don't look at it. If you don't get what I'm trying to say, there's no point of me trying to explain it. You won't agree with it, ever, for reasons I am well aware of and that's okay by me.

And again, you aren't paying remote attention to what other people are saying.

You are so wrapped up in your own thoughts, that you're practically oblivious to what others are trying to say to you.

This isn't going to take you happy places in life.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

And again, you aren't paying remote attention to what other people are saying.

You are so wrapped up in your own thoughts, that you're practically oblivious to what others are trying to say to you.

This isn't going to take you happy places in life.

Again, we both know there's no point to discussing this, so just talk about something else or cease the discussion. Just try to have a nice day.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Again, we both know there's no point to discussing this, so just talk about something else or cease the discussion. Just try to have a nice day.

Well who started and furthered the divergent discussion?

Didn't we already prune off a thread discussing why Jews are collectively guilty for antisemitism or whatever from this thread a few days ago?

Weird how that topic keeps popping up in this thread though.

 

[Bacle]

Again, we both know there's no point to discussing this, so just talk about something else or cease the discussion. Just try to have a nice day.

Yes, because you are an antisemitic bigot who thought casual antisemitism based off of lies and jealous going back generations (which flies all day on 4chan) would get you some applause here, instead of push back.

Have you considered the reason this lunacy you keep repeating gets push back most everywhere is because it is lunacy that most people can see through and are disgusted by?

I mean, when presented with real evidence of where the lies and jealous around antisemitism come from, you go on an unhinged rant about how it's 'Jewish Supremacy' to post those facts and how Jews are to blame for the bad stuff done to them.

Why don't you just go to Stormfront directly if you want to act like Stormfronter.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Yes, because you are an antisemitic bigot who thought casual antisemitism based off of lies and jealous going back generations (which flies all day on 4chan) would get you some applause here, instead of push back.

Have you considered the reason this lunacy you keep repeating gets push back most everywhere is because it is lunacy that most people can see through and are disgusted by?

I mean, when presented with real evidence of where the lies and jealous around antisemitism come from, you go on an unhinged rant about how it's 'Jewish Supremacy' to post those facts and how Jews are to blame for the bad stuff done to them.

Why don't you just go to Stormfront directly if you want to act like Stormfronter.

Oh yeah I'm such a terrible antisemite, idly and politely chatting to at least two jewish members of this site lmao.

 

[Bacle]

Oh yeah I'm such a terrible antisemite, idly and politely chatting to at least two jewish members of this site lmao.

You called just listing historical facts about the Jewish people and religion as 'Jewish Supremacy', and then went on a rant effectively saying the Jews brought the hate on themselves and are just a 'blood-cult'.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

You called just listing historical facts about the Jewish people and religion as 'Jewish Supremacy', and then went on a rant effectively saying the Jews brought the hate on themselves and are just a 'blood-cult'.

Read what I posted, I called Christianity, Islam, and Judaism blood cults. I am not going to be hypocritical and deny how these religions popped up and how they propagated. They're all guilty as far as I am concerned, but curiously only one ever gets special protections.
You call them historical facts, I disagree, not to mention these 'facts' are listed on one of the most biased websites on the internet, as I said, might as well go to the Daily Stormer to find out 'the truth about the nazis!'.

Anyways, my point still stands and is only being displayed more, there's no conversation to be had here, we all have our opinions and nobody is going to change theirs.

 

[Bacle]

Read what I posted, I called Christianity, Islam, and Judaism blood cults. I am not going to be hypocritical and deny how these religions popped up and how they propagated. They're all guilty as far as I am concerned, but curiously only one ever gets special protections.
You call them historical facts, I disagree, not to mention these 'facts' are listed on one of the most biased websites on the internet, as I said, might as well go to the Daily Stormer to find out 'the truth about the nazis!'.

Anyways, my point still stands and is only being displayed more, there's no conversation to be had here, we all have our opinions and nobody is going to change theirs.

Did you or did you not say that what was posted by Free-stater is 'Jewish Supremacy'?

Did you or did you not say "How come whenever someone in history is treated badly we assume "Well maybe they had it coming to them? Maybe there's a bit of truth and a bit of fiction involved?"? This by the way is really fucked, because you assume everyone else assumes that 'treated badly = deserved it' in history, which is very much not the case.

You are a fucking antisemite trying to dress your bigotry up and play it casual like some scumholes are ok with, while trying to play a 'whatabout/mirroring' game to twist the context in dishonest ways, and deny any source that doesn't echo your argument.

We can see right through your bullshit. People like you are why I've seen so many Jewish schools and synagogues around me have to put up security fences and armed guards, because you keep antisemitism alive because you believe a lot of stupid lies sources in cultural jealousy against the Jewish people.

Jihadi's might be more kinetic in their Jew hate, but people like you help give them the cultural top cover to keep up their attacks against the Jewish people.

 

[King Arts]

That's a misconception. Chemical weapons are generally agreed upon for bans because anything they do, nukes will generally do better, especially against a serious military, against which chemical weapons are more of an annoyance than superweapon.
They are mostly good for war crimes against civilians.
If not for nukes even western countries probably would not ban them as that would make them the best WMD.

Again no they can be better than nukes in certain scenarios where you don't want long term radiation to fuck up everything, like in Gaza for instance. Chemical weapons would make things very easy for the IDF who is fighting Hamas.

Well for most the choice was not whether they will get a loan with interest or not, it was whether they will get any loan or not. People get mad over the latter option even now. Leftist people usually.

Well Jews in the middle ages were able to get loans without interest from other Jews. At least that's how it looked to other people.

Which further raises the question of why the hell did the historical Christian leaders allow Jews to practice it on Christians.
It's like saying murder is evil, and forbidding your own people from murdering each other or anyone else, but at the same time allowing some strangers to come and murder your people because their strange customs apparently allow them to murder your people. It's extremely nonsensical as an explanation.

But again for most of the time it was not legally banned or punished by secular law. The people just did not like it and you would get shunned if you did it. Again if an entire group of people did it they would be shunned by the rest of society but that group would still have each other.

Well no one would have forced either to take the loans, they can fuck off, as i said, historically the main alternative to a loan with interest for vast majority of people wasn't a free loan, it was screw you get your own money.

Again the fact that even the Ancient Jews had banned interest amongst themselves in their own state disproves your assertion.

I'm a nationalist, i don't get irrevocably offended at the mere suggestion of tribalism and want my country to practice some degree of it, that makes me a bad example of a universalist.

But you are still a universalist, I mean for instance do you think Sexual slavery is wrong? What if your nation could get just a tiny bit of profit by taking non Polish women and pimping them out? Or what about about a Polish man going oversees to another country and being with minors?

I'm assuming you are against that as all westerners are against that. You see rape things as wrong, and shouldn't be done to anyone, while a pure tribalist would not care as long as it was not done to his people. So if you were a pure tribalist you'd be ok with a Polish man going to a 3rd world shithole and being with a young child, but would be angry if he did it with a Polish child.

No, i wouldn't, if it's not something i have doubts about in the first place. I won't start being sympathetic to aloha snackbaring head choppers just because Russia and China hate them, it's some brainbug coming from living in a 2 party political system too deeply, so people instinctively oppose what the other party supports no matter if it makes sense or not.
We all know the saying about tyranny sincerely done for benefit of its victims being the worst kind...
I generally don't see people from countries with 3-6 major parties in play trying to make such shallow arguments.
Unfortunately generally tyrants aren't decreeing great ideas, those are the domain of extremely rare creature called a "benevolent dictator".

What does this have anything to do with what I said?
This has nothing to do with two different groups. Every group does what they think is best, but few actively try to make things worse for others. Like if a capitalist conqured an enemy nation and forced them to put in communists in power.

Which would get you in trouble with the government in cases of proper bans. Also Italians were some of pioneers in circumventing this ban.
Apparently in their specific case of time and place it was a bit of "wink wink nod nod" with it being illegal, but ineffectively punished, and the state tolerating it as such for the economic benefits.

Yes?

Yeah but in this specific issue it's a self-defeating argument, if you can afford to be in the business of interest banking, you probably don't need welfare or social security, or community support for the matter, if anything the community will be coming to you to get your support.

Of course the mentioned Medici family didn't give a fuck because despite that they had such wealth and connections that most of those not ostracized would be jealous of them.
It's like trying to threaten a billionaire with taking away his unemployment benefits.

Actually you do need community support because otherwise any group that manages to kill you or your paid guards will be able to get away scott free.

What is your point then? I never stated that Jews didn't ban usury amongst themselves so you really have none.

Are you dense? Yes that bolded part should clue you in on why historical Christians did not like the Jews unless you are just dishonest, a liberal self hater who hates his ancestors for being "racist", or just foolish I don't know what to tell you. You are basically saying that the Jews were successful because they had a rule where they were allowed to harm outsiders and you are calling the outsiders who dislike Jews because of that rule stupid.

Let me give you an analogy with slavery. Let's say there are three groups of people who live in one country, they are not different nations but all part of the same country those who are universally against slavery(Christians), those who are ok with slavery for anyone(Islam, historical pagans,etc.), and those who are not ok with slavery for themselves but ok with enslaving others.

Now do you understand why those who are universally against slavery might dislike the 3rd group even more than the 2nd. Even the 2nd group if they are smart might not like the 3rd group because it looks like they are profiting off the rest of the nation and taking advantage of others for their own benefit.

 

[King Arts]

People tend to be biased towards you if your claims are idiotic the concept is far from unnatural. As for The jews are responsible for killing Jesus! Forgive me but when Jesus was resurrected, he didn't give a damn about it or explicitly blame them and tell his followers to do the same so why should I as a Christian care?

You claim to be Christian? Tell me do you believe the Bible is the word of God then? All of it not just the red words directly spoken by Jesus.

Did you or did you not say that what was posted by Free-stater is 'Jewish Supremacy'?

Did you or did you not say "How come whenever someone in history is treated badly we assume "Well maybe they had it coming to them? Maybe there's a bit of truth and a bit of fiction involved?"? This by the way is really fucked, because you assume everyone else assumes that 'treated badly = deserved it' in history, which is very much not the case.

You are a fucking antisemite trying to dress your bigotry up and play it casual like some scumholes are ok with, while trying to play a 'whatabout/mirroring' game to twist the context in dishonest ways, and deny any source that doesn't echo your argument.

We can see right through your bullshit. People like you are why I've seen so many Jewish schools and synagogues around me have to put up security fences and armed guards, because you keep antisemitism alive because you believe a lot of stupid lies sources in cultural jealousy against the Jewish people.

Jihadi's might be more kinetic in their Jew hate, but people like you help give them the cultural top cover to keep up their attacks against the Jewish people.

Maybe Zeno went to far. BUT Free Stater did insult historical Christians by calling them stupid unwashed peasants. Free Stater acted for Jews like how a liberal acts for other minorities (Arabs, blacks,etc.) You can argue what Free Stater did was or was not Jewish Supremacy, just like how what Al Sharpton does is Black Supremacy or not. But you can't argue that what he said was not Christian/European inferiority. Just like how BLM is anti white and calls them inferior and evil.

 

[Bacle]

Maybe Zeno went to far. BUT Free Stater did insult historical Christians by calling them stupid unwashed peasants.

Many were till the Industrial Revolution, that is simple fact, and the Jewish people didn't follow all the same stupid tenants early Christians did, so they didn't handicap themselves like early Christians did.

It's not the Jews fault early Christians were stupid about a lot of things.

Free Stater acted for Jews like how a liberal acts for other minorities (Arabs, blacks,etc.) You can argue what Free Stater did was or was not Jewish Supremacy, just like how what Al Sharpton does is Black Supremacy or not.

Hmm, 'whataboutism' and trying to play a 'mirror gatacha' by twisting context instead of dealing with the actual issue at hand.

Standard King Arts dishonest debate and troll tactics.

Also rather similar to Zeno's attempt at 'whataboutism', and given your record on Israel and Jewish issues, not a surprise either.

But you can't argue that what he said was not Christian/European inferiority. Just like how BLM is anti white and calls them inferior and evil.

No, this is you twisting the context again and trying to make it about a 'racial/ethnic supremacy' angle, just like Zeno did, because you two seem like peas in a pod and have very similar rhetorical tactics.

It's not the Jews fault that early Christians did dumb shit.

 

[Marduk]

Again no they can be better than nukes in certain scenarios where you don't want long term radiation to fuck up everything, like in Gaza for instance. Chemical weapons would make things very easy for the IDF who is fighting Hamas.

In some cases long term chemical contamination is worse. Wind blows the wrong way and suddenly you are the one attacked.
Also your soldiers now taking the attacked territory have to watch their every fucking move and work in chem suits or they get slimed with nerve gas.
The same problems can also be solved with explosives (WW2) or with napalm (Vietnam), or like Israelis do now, plain seawater.

Well Jews in the middle ages were able to get loans without interest from other Jews. At least that's how it looked to other people.

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No, rarely, that's a favor, like if you take a loan from an uncle or something like that.
Usually they would do the same thing smart Muslims do now, rule lawyer the shit to a point where they effectively get something very similar to a normal loan with interest but worded in a different and more complicated way.

But again for most of the time it was not legally banned or punished by secular law. The people just did not like it and you would get shunned if you did it. Again if an entire group of people did it they would be shunned by the rest of society but that group would still have each other.

But that hits a major problem in the effect of, if most people do it, who is really getting shunned, and who is doing the shunning?
Like, do you mind getting shunned by fucking communists? Pedophiles? Dumb junkies?
Likewise, rich medieval merchants may not necessarily care that much about being shunned by the kind of people who cared a lot about it (zealots and dumb peasants).
For one nobles and other rulers really couldn't shun them because they are the ones who have the most use for loans for big investment purposes.

Again the fact that even the Ancient Jews had banned interest amongst themselves in their own state disproves your assertion.

And then rule lawyered around it anyway. Though this example shows the pragmatic argument, that we also use until today - favor tribe/family/clan, but for strangers, how distant exactly being a minor detail, it's pure business. And in modern age, when societies aren't tribes of few hundreds to few thousands, there are more complexities and degrees to who's a stranger.
Maybe a cousin, uncle or other relative will give you an interest free loan, but if you go to a guy from 2 provinces away who you never saw before but he happens to own a bank, the answer is gonna be hell no. Of course back when Jews were very few in number, pretty much a tribe, it could viably operate on the former system widely among themselves.

But you are still a universalist, I mean for instance do you think Sexual slavery is wrong? What if your nation could get just a tiny bit of profit by taking non Polish women and pimping them out? Or what about about a Polish man going oversees to another country and being with minors?

Most of that problem is that even if we don't care about wh
And there was recently some controversy with people going to Thailand and possibly screwing underage prostitutes, most countries don't care, even some western ones, i think it was Sweden who did criminalize it. Either way, you won't necessarily trust those guys even when they come back, so there's also a non-universalist argument.

I'm assuming you are against that as all westerners are against that. You see rape things as wrong, and shouldn't be done to anyone, while a pure tribalist would not care as long as it was not done to his people. So if you were a pure tribalist you'd be ok with a Polish man going to a 3rd world shithole and being with a young child, but would be angry if he did it with a Polish child.

Again, not necessarily. We don't like these people because they are dangerous to the people they are around, we know that, and if they want to be around us...
Still, most countries do not go out of their way to pursue crimes committed by own citizens under law of a different land, especially if those aren't crimes in that land. For example many Poles go to Netherlands and buy and smoke weed there, even though it's illegal in Poland, no one in Poland gives a fuck.

What does this have anything to do with what I said?
This has nothing to do with two different groups. Every group does what they think is best, but few actively try to make things worse for others. Like if a capitalist conqured an enemy nation and forced them to put in communists in power.

It's not that rare at all, of course stuff like communists are a threat to everyone else too, but it's not uncommon for, say, someone to win a war and then make the loser limit their military severely or forbid them from having some industry, expanding ports or something like that.

Yes?


Actually you do need community support because otherwise any group that manages to kill you or your paid guards will be able to get away scott free.

And here we hit the elephant in the room, very few societies are completely united and in agreement about such things. Even if half the society hates you, well then you will probably be hiring security from the other half, and if you are this rich and powerful in that scenario there's no shortage of people who are willing to support you even if many won't.

 

[Scottty]

Well who started and furthered the divergent discussion?

Didn't we already prune off a thread discussing why Jews are collectively guilty for antisemitism or whatever from this thread a few days ago?

Weird how that topic keeps popping up in this thread though.

Maybe it would help if we could discuss the question of why distrust of a given ethnic group can have a basis in how some members of that group behave at times towards other people, without this going to notions of collective guilt?