Anyone other than Hitler and the NSDAP running Germany.

Agent23

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So, ROB ASB decides that he is sick and tired of this Austrian hipster proto-weeb called Hitler and tasks you with getting rid of him and replacing him with someone, anyone, that will be able to lead Germany to prosperity, fully repudiate all the various insulting treaties post-WWI and generally make the German population happy while evading a general European war if possible and kicking back the USSR.

As such, you have been tasked to dream up such a scenario.

Your only constraints are:
1. NO COMMIES!
2. The new guy in charge must be able to fulfill the desires of the Germans and return Germany to the state of a primary power in Europe while curtailing any Soviet expansion.
3. Some revanch with the French and the British is desirable, but it will be preferable that a new "general war" doesn't occur.
3. Dealing with German irredentism and Germans living outside of Germany and Austria in a way that pleases them and the broader German populace.


What happens, how does the timeline differ, how many wars and crisies does Germany get into?
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
Franz von Papen was very machiavellian and his goals were crushing the reds, return of monarchy and repudiation of the Versailles treaty, but he never built a base of support, relying on being political middleman, so Hitler had not problem marginalising him.

If something happens to Hitler (like getting killed at Beerhalle Putsch) and Papen joins Volkspartei, he might make himself a German Dolfuss.
 

ATP

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You just damned Europe to soviets.Becouse all german parties except NSDAP supported them and have hidden anti-polish alliance.
Which would lead to germans and soviets genociding us on schedule - but later soviets would backstab them and take entire Europe.
It not happened thanks to Hitler backstabbing them first,so they got only Central Europe - but here,nobody would do so becouse german belived their soviet allies.

Germany need smart leader who would backstab soviets before they did it to him,and gave land from kolchoz to peasants - but nobody in Germany was smart enough for that.
 

Agent23

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You just damned Europe to soviets.Becouse all german parties except NSDAP supported them and have hidden anti-polish alliance.
Which would lead to germans and soviets genociding us on schedule - but later soviets would backstab them and take entire Europe.
It not happened thanks to Hitler backstabbing them first,so they got only Central Europe - but here,nobody would do so becouse german belived their soviet allies.
Ahem, I said no commies and take out the commies to the east in the OP. ;)

Improve your creativity and do more research!
Germany need smart leader who would backstab soviets before they did it to him,and gave land from kolchoz to peasants - but nobody in Germany was smart enough for that.
Or somebody thsr can build a grand European coalition against the USSR's encroachment and work with the anti-Soviet and pro-monarchist elements and the Kulaks in Ukraine against Stalin.

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Skallagrim

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Pardon my ignorance, but I’m not sure who that is. Guessing he has something to do the Hohenzollerns, or might be a Hohenzollern himself?

It is Ernst Jünger. The warrior-intellectual, the poet-adventurer, the soldier-novelist... the most paradoxical man of the century. This is a man who was wounded in combat fourteen times, including five bullet wounds, of which one went straight through his chest. He later wrote In Stahlgewittern, which is sort of like the moral, cultural and philosophical counterpart to Im Westen Nichts Neues.

And he died in 1998, age 102.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
It is Ernst Jünger. The warrior-intellectual, the poet-adventurer, the soldier-novelist... the most paradoxical man of the century. This is a man who was wounded in combat fourteen times, including five bullet wounds, of which one went straight through his chest. He later wrote In Stahlgewittern, which is sort of like the moral, cultural and philosophical counterpart to Im Westen Nichts Neues.

And he died in 1998, age 102.
Aha, I know who you’re talking about now.

An unfathomably based answer.
 

Agent23

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It is Ernst Jünger. The warrior-intellectual, the poet-adventurer, the soldier-novelist... the most paradoxical man of the century. This is a man who was wounded in combat fourteen times, including five bullet wounds, of which one went straight through his chest. He later wrote In Stahlgewittern, which is sort of like the moral, cultural and philosophical counterpart to Im Westen Nichts Neues.

And he died in 1998, age 102.
I am saying this guy should team up with Gustav Stresemann - Wikipedia

Who does not die early.

And we can throw in Fritz Haber to serve as a sort of triumvirate.
 

Skallagrim

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Jünger plus a surviving Richthofen (ideally also avoiding the crash that severely injured him and almost certainly caused brain damage) would be a creat combo. Richthofen would be the ideal man to build up a new, modern air force for Germany.

I don;t know about Jünger working with Stresemann, @Agent23. I see why Stresemann would be a safe bet, but Jünger really despised the Weimar Republic. I'd envision his rise to power more as a "National Conservatives triumph while the National Socialists fade out or never even coalesce" kind of deal. Haber would probably be on board for that. Not sure about Haber as a politician, but Jünger deplored Hitler's dumb racial policies, so he'd be fine with hving Haber on board. Maybe Haber could oversee Germany's whole chemical industry?
 

Agent23

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Jünger plus a surviving Richthofen (ideally also avoiding the crash that severely injured him and almost certainly caused brain damage) would be a creat combo. Richthofen would be the ideal man to build up a new, modern air force for Germany.

I don;t know about Jünger working with Stresemann, @Agent23. I see why Stresemann would be a safe bet, but Jünger really despised the Weimar Republic. I'd envision his rise to power more as a "National Conservatives triumph while the National Socialists fade out or never even coalesce" kind of deal. Haber would probably be on board for that. Not sure about Haber as a politician, but Jünger deplored Hitler's dumb racial policies, so he'd be fine with hving Haber on board. Maybe Haber could oversee Germany's whole chemical industry?
Stresemsnn didn't like muh democracy and the Weimar republic that much, either.

I think he was just playing the hand he was dealt.

But frankly, some extreme situations require extreme solutions, and "national unity" governments.
 

ATP

Well-known member
I am saying this guy should team up with Gustav Stresemann - Wikipedia

Who does not die early.

And we can throw in Fritz Haber to serve as a sort of triumvirate.
Sorry,but not.Another german suicider who hate Poland so much,that he allied with soviets.

After 1922 Rapallo pact,in 1926 he made secret pact with soviets about military cooperation - germans built tanks and planes in soviets,and tested them.
Hitler was smart enough to finish those suicidal madness.

Stresemann would continue,kill Poland with soviet help and England blessing,and would be very suprised when soviet tanks roll on burning Berlin.

That problem with most of germans - their irrational hatred for Poland would kill them and enslave entire Europe.
 

ATP

Well-known member
So, ROB ASB decides that he is sick and tired of this Austrian hipster proto-weeb called Hitler and tasks you with getting rid of him and replacing him with someone, anyone, that will be able to lead Germany to prosperity, fully repudiate all the various insulting treaties post-WWI and generally make the German population happy while evading a general European war if possible and kicking back the USSR.

As such, you have been tasked to dream up such a scenario.

Your only constraints are:
1. NO COMMIES!
2. The new guy in charge must be able to fulfill the desires of the Germans and return Germany to the state of a primary power in Europe while curtailing any Soviet expansion.
3. Some revanch with the French and the British is desirable, but it will be preferable that a new "general war" doesn't occur.
3. Dealing with German irredentism and Germans living outside of Germany and Austria in a way that pleases them and the broader German populace.


What happens, how does the timeline differ, how many wars and crisies does Germany get into?
QQ is mostly about porn,but it also have good AH stories.
Here,one of them with SI into Himmler who created smart strong Germany without another WW.
Here:

Well,no WW till 1935.Everything could happen yet...
 

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