Dune part 2

[ATP]

Those weren't the Navigators, those were just Spacing Guild people. The Navigators looked suitably alien and whatnot in the brief display of them.

I really loved that SciFi Channel Dune Miniseries. It's aged terribly since but I actually loved how they went overboard with the costumes, including the Spacing Guild and Sardaukar. As adaptions go and considering the low budget, it was actually pretty good adaption despite being so dated now.

Well,you are right,and costumes was really great.Pity,that i could not get one....
P.S Saudarkars look like Lansknechts,at least partially.

 

[Typhonis]

So the Dune Empire could be less like the Star Wars Empire and more like the Holy Roman Empire?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

So the Dune Empire could be less like the Star Wars Empire and more like the Holy Roman Empire?

Only if Jesus were Pope and King...and brought salvation by wading through the blood of his enemies.

 

[edgeworthy]

There's always this possible version!

The question is how would you cast it?

 

[prinCZess]

A Dune Muppet Movie would be glorious.
Doubly-so if you can find a way to make it into a musical--which honestly doesn't seem like it'd be too hard.
...
...
Okay, I mostly just want to see Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck having to listen to a Dune-ified, Muppet rendition of 'Getting to know you' from the King and I.
Actually, Gurney Halleck being the only non-Muppet in the movie sounds like a good time in general.

On movie itself
-I don't recall there being anything about atomics in the first movie, and that seems a shame. They become a bit of a sudden blessing from nowhere coincidence in part two when they didn't need to be. Gurney being alive is already kind of a coincidence, having a little more 'setup' to Atreides atomic weapons would've been nice (I absolutely forget how/if the book does anything different, though).
-See what they were going for and even kind of like how the film shows Paul the awwshuks freedom-fighter, his mother the manipulating Bene Gesserit, and Chani the skeptical-native who's still drawn to Paul, blah blah blah there's all kinds of competition between mother and lover there that's all appropriate...but...Zendaya and that damned 'Chani screaming cliches at an entire room full of people' scene combine to make me just roll my eyes.
-Kind of like the book, as I recall, it does similar cliche character's-reflection stuff between Feyd-Rautha and Paul, but whether it's not being distracted by Zendaya's Zendaya-ness or just something else it's not nearly as distracting, despite being very not-subtle in some of the same ways.
-I'm still surprised at how absolutely little part Walken played. The Emperor is just not really a force--and while that seems to have been kind of intentional and maybe fits the narrative...Was expecting a bit more to that entire character. Especially with Walken playing it. Just seems like a wasted opportunity.
-Like the first it does such solid job worldbuilding and presenting that a long run-time doesn't actually feel that long.
-Stilgar kind've got relegated to background character in favor of Chani...Not sure that's a good trade, but I'm very biased so...
-Part three (Messiah, presumably) when...Or do we need a whole film dedicated to Glorious Fremen Jihad? That could be fun, if not exactly artsy...

 

[ATP]

A Dune Muppet Movie would be glorious.
Doubly-so if you can find a way to make it into a musical--which honestly doesn't seem like it'd be too hard.
...
...
Okay, I mostly just want to see Josh Brolin as Gurney Halleck having to listen to a Dune-ified, Muppet rendition of 'Getting to know you' from the King and I.
Actually, Gurney Halleck being the only non-Muppet in the movie sounds like a good time in general.

On movie itself
-I don't recall there being anything about atomics in the first movie, and that seems a shame. They become a bit of a sudden blessing from nowhere coincidence in part two when they didn't need to be. Gurney being alive is already kind of a coincidence, having a little more 'setup' to Atreides atomic weapons would've been nice (I absolutely forget how/if the book does anything different, though).
-See what they were going for and even kind of like how the film shows Paul the awwshuks freedom-fighter, his mother the manipulating Bene Gesserit, and Chani the skeptical-native who's still drawn to Paul, blah blah blah there's all kinds of competition between mother and lover there that's all appropriate...but...Zendaya and that damned 'Chani screaming cliches at an entire room full of people' scene combine to make me just roll my eyes.
-Kind of like the book, as I recall, it does similar cliche character's-reflection stuff between Feyd-Rautha and Paul, but whether it's not being distracted by Zendaya's Zendaya-ness or just something else it's not nearly as distracting, despite being very not-subtle in some of the same ways.
-I'm still surprised at how absolutely little part Walken played. The Emperor is just not really a force--and while that seems to have been kind of intentional and maybe fits the narrative...Was expecting a bit more to that entire character. Especially with Walken playing it. Just seems like a wasted opportunity.
-Like the first it does such solid job worldbuilding and presenting that a long run-time doesn't actually feel that long.
-Stilgar kind've got relegated to background character in favor of Chani...Not sure that's a good trade, but I'm very biased so...
-Part three (Messiah, presumably) when...Or do we need a whole film dedicated to Glorious Fremen Jihad? That could be fun, if not exactly artsy...

I think,that part three should be about fall of Paul AFTER he win jihad.
P.S Merry Easter !

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Haven’t seen the movie yet, but it seems it carried over easily the most frustrating bit of the book (at least to me): the degradation of the Sardaukar to glorify the Fremen.

The worf effect was cringe in Star Trek and it’s cringe here.

 

[ATP]

Haven’t seen the movie yet, but it seems it carried over easily the most frustrating bit of the book (at least to me): the degradation of the Sardaukar to glorify the Fremen.

The worf effect was cringe in Star Trek and it’s cringe here.

In book Fremen were better from the start - they lost only 2 capturing gun which was defended by Saudarkars.
What was most unpleasant for me/except turning Stilgar into clown/ was removing Navigators as political force.

 

[Ixian]

Been looking into the Dune ttrpg since seeing Part 2 in theater, and a question I keep wondering about: What happened all the older ftl non-foldspace ships?

Even if it took months to go between systems on the obsolete style of engines, thats seems like something every Great House would be doing. If transporting the Harkonnen army to dune basically bankrupt the Baron, why wouldn't you just stick your army on a slower ship?

Or has the Spacing Guild managed to destroy every ftl ship outside their own? Surely there has to be some of those Old Imperium warships or civilian transports still floating around somewhere. They were used for like 10k+ years before foldspace ships became a thing.

 

[ATP]

Been looking into the Dune ttrpg since seeing Part 2 in theater, and a question I keep wondering about: What happened all the older ftl non-foldspace ships?

Even if it took months to go between systems on the obsolete style of engines, thats seems like something every Great House would be doing. If transporting the Harkonnen army to dune basically bankrupt the Baron, why wouldn't you just stick your army on a slower ship?

Or has the Spacing Guild managed to destroy every ftl ship outside their own? Surely there has to be some of those Old Imperium warships or civilian transports still floating around somewhere. They were used for like 10k+ years before foldspace ships became a thing.

First,too slow,second - they would not find any planets without Navigators.There was story about some noble who challenged Guild,and his frigate is suppose still travell through space unable to find any planet...

 

[Ixian]

First,too slow,second - they would not find any planets without Navigators.There was story about some noble who challenged Guild,and his frigate is suppose still travell through space unable to find any planet...

I thought that was just for foldspace ships? To avoid popping out in the core of a plant or on the other side of the galaxy.

Although I suppose AI would have been used on the older FTL ships, so they definitely would have ripped those systems out during the Jihad, but the Spaceing Guild wouldn't set up until well after the revolt against the Thinking Machines started, so they must have been capable of charting a course even without AI or Navigators.

And yeah, they would be slow. To be useful they would have to be used only to reach very nearby stars, and that would still be trips weeks or months long, still seems worth it to not be taken from the second wealthiest House to near bankruptcy if I were sitting in the Barons suspensors.

Edit: The Nobel not being able to find a planet is a good point I think, is it specifically a habitable planet he was looking for? Because I'd imagine it would be pretty easy to find inhospitable barren rocks.

But yeah, the Spacing Guild probably has the best star charts, if not the only ones. Any charts in the hands of the Houses are bound to be really old and not including any expansion of the the Imperium since the Spacing Guild gained their monopoly.

Which means the old ships could still be useful in the oldest parts of the Imperium, I think Arrakis was a known "frontier" world shortly before the war with the machines kicked off.

 

[Bassoe]

-See what they were going for and even kind of like how the film shows Paul the awwshuks freedom-fighter, his mother the manipulating Bene Gesserit, and Chani the skeptical-native who's still drawn to Paul, blah blah blah there's all kinds of competition between mother and lover there that's all appropriate...but...Zendaya and that damned 'Chani screaming cliches at an entire room full of people' scene combine to make me just roll my eyes.

I think the ideal twist could've been for Chani to be all for the jihad and that's why she and Paul were having relationship difficulties. Different cultures, different value sets. Paul's Atreides, seeped in noblesse oblige and caring for his societal lessors. Chani, meanwhile, is a Fremen, a culture who consider everyone outside the tribe as ambulatory water to steal. As far as she's concerned, her boyfriend's squeamishness doesn't make sense. He and their children running the galaxy is the win condition. Who cares how many outsiders die in the process, they never had any objection to killing her people?

 

[Navarro]

I think the ideal twist could've been for Chani to be all for the jihad and that's why she and Paul were having relationship difficulties. Different cultures, different value sets. Paul's Atreides, seeped in noblesse oblige and caring for his societal lessors. Chani, meanwhile, is a Fremen, a culture who consider everyone outside the tribe as ambulatory water to steal. As far as she's concerned, her boyfriend's squeamishness doesn't make sense. He and their children running the galaxy is the win condition. Who cares how many outsiders die in the process, they never had any objection to killing her people?

But Villeneuve-Chani is an r/atheism member who disdains the entirety of Fremen culture and openly laughs at one of their most sacred rituals, so that wouldn't work.

 

[Ixian]

But Villeneuve-Chani is an r/atheism member who disdains the entirety of Fremen culture and openly laughs at one of their most sacred rituals, so that wouldn't work.

To be fair, she is entirely right, at least in the context of the movie. A good chunk of the Fremen's deepest beliefs were literally Bene Gesserit propaganda and disinformation.

For all the Fremen were shown as technically skilled and experts in some scientific and technological fields, they also got absolutely hoodwinked by the space witches.

Which makes me wonder, how exactly? The Fremen seem to be pretty insular, the ones in the desert anyway.

I've always been a little unclear how connected the sietch dwelling Fremen and the city dwelling Fremon were. So maybe thats were the bene gesserit got the prophecy started?

 

[Jaenera Targaryen]

Those weren't the Navigators, those were just Spacing Guild people. The Navigators looked suitably alien and whatnot in the brief display of them.

I really loved that SciFi Channel Dune Miniseries. It's aged terribly since but I actually loved how they went overboard with the costumes, including the Spacing Guild and Sardaukar. As adaptions go and considering the low budget, it was actually pretty good adaption despite being so dated now.

They fixed that in the second season (?), Children of Dune, while retaining all the good parts of the first season. Gave the whole thing a suitably Biblical theme, considering it revolves around the rise of the eponymous God-Emperor, Leto II Atreides, and the beginning of the Golden Path.



Not to mention delicious eye candy courtesy of James McAvoy walking around shirtless for a good part of the series