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Versus Match Sauron (Second Age, One Ring in hand) vs Arthas the Lich King (World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King)

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Two of fantasy's most prominent Dark Lords and Necromancers, at the peak of their powers, throw down on an open icy waste.

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In my opinion, it can go either way. The magic and feats of Tolkien are vague, but some interpretations would put them as very potent indeed. Meanwhile WoW's magic is just nakedly bonkers and that is part of the setting's charm. Sauron and Arthas have a lot of power to play with, although the latter is probably more martially proficient.
 

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You have to reconcile that one setting is very spiritual and the other is rather materialistic. In LotR, Sauron is a higher being. A fallen angel that cannot be slain by mortals. Sauron was only killed because he had severely weakened himself and through providence. Whereas in Warcraft it's simply a matter of how much raw firepower it takes to kill whatever being you want to kill.

If the spiritual nature of LotR is at play here then Sauron probably wins simply because of his innate nature as a Maiar, while he's fighting a orc shaman and a human that have fused together, ie lower tier beings. If you go by raw firepower than the Lich King wins, given the he used death magic to instantly kill the players at the climax of WotLK. Then again, since Sauron could just come back, would that really be a win? The LK might be able to kill Sauron's body but probably not his spirit. The Lich King's cursed sword, Frostmourne, absorbs the souls of his victims, but again how does that work on a Maiar? Could it really trap Sauron's soul? And how does that work with Sauron having invested much of his essence in the One Ring?

This is all assuming we're not considering Shadowland's retcons of the Lich King's powers. Do we equate Maiar souls with Titan souls? Because when the Titan Argus died his soul was apparently sucked into the machinery of death that was the Shadowlands. And since runeblades were created by the denizens of the Shadowlands, it could be possible for a Titan soul to be absorbed by a runeblade? But Shadowlands is reviled by the Warcraft fandom for its retcons and people generally prefer to forget it exists.
 

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Are the Titans beings that came to exist within that universe, or beings who pre-existed it and entered into it from outside?
 

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A part of me does ponder the idea of whether or not this is a low key rerun of Fingolfin and Morgoth: the former is more versatile and faster, whilst the latter is quite a bit bigger and likely a good deal stronger.
 

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I think it might make a bit more sense to match Arthas against the Witchking.
 

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You have to reconcile that one setting is very spiritual and the other is rather materialistic. In LotR, Sauron is a higher being. A fallen angel that cannot be slain by mortals. Sauron was only killed

Actually Sauron was never even killed he was just diminished and forever lost most of his power but his spirit was still floating around probably seething about being defeated by Hobbits.
 

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Are the Titans beings that came to exist within that universe, or beings who pre-existed it and entered into it from outside?
At the time the Lich King storyline ended in Wrath in 2009, we didn't know anything about the origins of the Titans. The only thing we knew is that long ago, they arrived on Azeroth, imprisoned the old gods, blessed the dragonflights, created stonemen, and then left. Then the old gods' influence managed to seep through their prisons and corrupted the stonemen with the curse of flesh, creating humans and dwarves seen in Warcraft today. In 2016, Warcraft Chronicle came out and told us that Titans hatch from planets inside the physical Warcraft universe (Azeroth is special because she is the last uncorrupted, unhatched Titan in the Warcraft universe), and that the old gods are created by being called "the Void Lords" from outside of the physical Warcraft universe.
 

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At the time the Lich King storyline ended in Wrath in 2009, we didn't know anything about the origins of the Titans. The only thing we knew is that long ago, they arrived on Azeroth, imprisoned the old gods, blessed the dragonflights, created stonemen, and then left. Then the old gods' influence managed to seep through their prisons and corrupted the stonemen with the curse of flesh, creating humans and dwarves seen in Warcraft today. In 2016, Warcraft Chronicle came out and told us that Titans hatch from planets inside the physical Warcraft universe (Azeroth is special because she is the last uncorrupted, unhatched Titan in the Warcraft universe), and that the old gods are created by being called "the Void Lords" from outside of the physical Warcraft universe.
That's the problem with Warcraft lore - they keep changing it.
Retcon after retcon.
 

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Actually Sauron was never even killed he was just diminished and forever lost most of his power but his spirit was still floating around probably seething about being defeated by Hobbits.
Sauron was killed multiple times - he just reincarnated so long as the One Ring was intact.
 
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