Well, that renders canon an unfortunately lame term then if it just means 'shit corporate retards believe in'.
U.S Marines get issued T-60 Power Armor in 2001
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Bethesda said it was canon
They also made the Blades hate their own fucking Emperor, I think what Bethesda thinks is irrelevant to how objectively right it is.
Scooby Doo
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I want to point out no body armor covering the neck IRL can withstand a mag dump of that caliber at point blank range.
It's too thin of a section. It wasn't a single bullet it was literally less than a foot away and multiple rounds at am angle the where the bullets would be hitting the armor from its weakest and thinnest area.
It's the equivalent of shooting an RPG directly at a tank hatch from above then saying tanks are weak.
I mean, I prefer the Bethesda games because they are fun to me.
They also made the Blades hate their own fucking Emperor, I think what Bethesda thinks is irrelevant to how objectively right it is.
The first 2 fallout as well as Tactics are kinda boring so.
I was pointing it out to him for the conversation
XD Damn man, might as well shit on A New Hope as well.
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A New Hope is kinda shit compared to the rest of the movies, it built the rest of the Star Wars foundation but looking back and comparing it to the other films ANH is only better than the sequel trilogies.
ESB and RTJ is way better than ANH
ANH is like Episode I level bad.
I mean, compared to ESB, it kinda is.
In general, real life body armor really doesn't work like video games, especially when you're talking about multi-hit resistance. Video games typically treat armor as either a damage reduction where it no-sells hits below a threshold or unless they have a special status or as just an extra health pool, because its *very* hard to actually simulate how real armor absorbs impacts.
Generally soft armor is surprisingly good at taking multiple hits though, even a pretty basic-bitch kevlar vest is going to eat a mag-dump of .45 without penetration. Although your torso is going to be absolutely fucked up from the impacts though. Its primarily ceramics which fail under repeated hits quickly, although I've seen steel do it too.
Generally, yes.
On the other hand, back in the '70s something called the American-180 was successfully marketed to prisons and police departments as a last ditch riot control weapon. This was a .22 LR submachine gun that looked like the bizarre love child of a Tommy Gun and a Lewis light machine gun, with a 275-round pan magazine and a stupendous 1,200 round rate of fire from a simple open bolt blowback mechanism.
The idea was that in a situation where prison guards or police officers were being completely overrun, the American-180's total lack of armor penetration would allow fellow guards/officers to fire on the riot with minimal risk of friendly fire casualties. They even made a twinned version (basically two A180 actions mounted side-by-side and tilted 45 degrees left and right on a shared stock) and a quad swivel mount for guard tower emplacements, and one enterprising maniac at some point made a makeshift CAS plane by mounting a couple of those quads under the wings of an ultralight.
At some point someone finally got around to ACTUALLY TESTING the American-180 against body armor under realistic conditions, and found that while one or two .22 LR hits did jack all to body armor, 1200 RPM .22 LR pretty much cut into body armor like a ripsaw.
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Ooooh yes the American 180! Amazing and hilarious firearm it is. Such a firearm might potentially cut through soft armor, but it's going to be far less effective against steel plate of equal ballistic rating.
Apparently, when they tested it out, it not only tore through soft body armor but also reinforced concrete. The manufacturer tried to protest that it took concentrated and sustained fire to cut through, but since they'd basically sold it entirely as a one-trick pony, even partially refuting that pony was catastrophic to their business. So yeah, I'm not saying you're wrong, just that -- as you yourself said, this is a generality. It just happens to be one with a semi-known exception clause.
To circle back to Fallout: in my opinion, the mag dump scene should be dismissed as artistic license because it is too inconsistent with both real-life physics and how tough the PA is supposed to be in-universe. The neck is a weak spot, but not *that* weak; at best, one can rationalize that it was hit by something significantly higher-powered and loaded with armor-piercing rounds.
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