raharris1973
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Here is the map illustrating where they end up:
Korea "slides over" at the same latitude to the north-central Pacific. Ireland is placed to its northwest in the same neighborhood in the Pacific, so in addition to its longitude drastically changing, its latitude is pushed south quite a bit.
Here is the sequence of supernatural events:
1531 - Just before Henry VIII sends the expedition to Ireland to crush the revolt of the Earl of Kildare, Ireland, excluding the more developed and Anglicized "Pale" with the port of Dublin disappears, teleported to the north central Pacific, hundreds and hundreds of miles from any neighboring land forms.
How does Europe develop with Ireland simply vanished?
In the same world, whatever sensation the vanishing of Ireland created in Europe is hardly noticed in Asia, at least by Asians. It hasn't made an impression by 69 years later, 1600. Notable about the period in Asia is that Hideyoshi Toyotomi recently died in 1598 or 1599, allowing his doomed second invasion of Korea to ingloriously end.
However, on one morning in 1600, Ming and Jurchen sentries in their respective lands along the Yalu report the sudden absence of the river and the land of Korea beyond it, with its replacement by open ocean.
The Koreans find, to their amazement that the Yalu is missing, with no Ming province of Liaoning, and no Jurchen lands on the opposite site, their peninsula now an island completely surrounded by water. And while in the days following their boats make contact with Quelpart island, aka Cheju-Do, attempts to locate Japan's Tsushima and Izu islands fail.
At the same time, Koreans are disturbed by the disappearance of China and its replacement by open water. Korea is in the central Pacific north and west of the Hawaiian island chain. It is a land alone, without any neighbors, at least not neighbors it knows.
The Koreans are recovering from the two devastating Japanese invasions. Unbeknownst to them, their disappearance from Asia will be sparing them from two Jurchen/Manchu invasions slated for the 1630s. While disappearance of benevolent neighbors like China and their trade is spooky and portentous, Korea's survival from an apparent "flood of the world" is considered positive, and the nation at least feels safe from the dreaded Japanese and Jurchen border ruffians.
How does East Asia develop without Korea, and how does Korea develop in isolation from the wider world until the late 18th century British or European exploration of the Pacific?
Korea and Ireland are close enough geographically, that fishermen from one or the other, will find the other landmass within a decade or so. Likely Irish fishermen first. After a longer period of time, the Koreans may encounter the Hawaiians.
Korea has a superior population and agricultural output to Ireland, and Korea's monarchy is a more royal governing system is probably more decisive and certain to be centralized than whatever regime(s) have come about in Ireland based on the Earl of Kildare and his heirs and the rest of the Irish aristocracy. But neither country seems ripe for conquest nor in good shape to mount an amphibious conquest of the other. The two may find they possess some things of value to trade, but will find they culturally have nothing in common and establishing communications and expectations will be hard work. How will their relations with each other, and possibly the Hawaiians, develop over the next 150, 175 years?
Presuming both landmasses are "rediscovered" by the wider world with the voyages of Captain Cook in the 1770s [my presumption is that Drake's circumnavigation would "miss" Ireland, because his path, southeast of Hawaii, missed this part of the Pacific, including, just barely, the big island of Hawaii itself, and the Manila galleons would also be well to the south and north of Korea and Ireland and Hawaii, contact comes with Cook], when, if ever, do Ireland and/or Korea get colonized by external powers like Britain or France?
And if either were to lose their sovereignty, what would their eventual independence process, and its timing look like?
Korea "slides over" at the same latitude to the north-central Pacific. Ireland is placed to its northwest in the same neighborhood in the Pacific, so in addition to its longitude drastically changing, its latitude is pushed south quite a bit.
Here is the sequence of supernatural events:
1531 - Just before Henry VIII sends the expedition to Ireland to crush the revolt of the Earl of Kildare, Ireland, excluding the more developed and Anglicized "Pale" with the port of Dublin disappears, teleported to the north central Pacific, hundreds and hundreds of miles from any neighboring land forms.
How does Europe develop with Ireland simply vanished?
In the same world, whatever sensation the vanishing of Ireland created in Europe is hardly noticed in Asia, at least by Asians. It hasn't made an impression by 69 years later, 1600. Notable about the period in Asia is that Hideyoshi Toyotomi recently died in 1598 or 1599, allowing his doomed second invasion of Korea to ingloriously end.
However, on one morning in 1600, Ming and Jurchen sentries in their respective lands along the Yalu report the sudden absence of the river and the land of Korea beyond it, with its replacement by open ocean.
The Koreans find, to their amazement that the Yalu is missing, with no Ming province of Liaoning, and no Jurchen lands on the opposite site, their peninsula now an island completely surrounded by water. And while in the days following their boats make contact with Quelpart island, aka Cheju-Do, attempts to locate Japan's Tsushima and Izu islands fail.
At the same time, Koreans are disturbed by the disappearance of China and its replacement by open water. Korea is in the central Pacific north and west of the Hawaiian island chain. It is a land alone, without any neighbors, at least not neighbors it knows.
The Koreans are recovering from the two devastating Japanese invasions. Unbeknownst to them, their disappearance from Asia will be sparing them from two Jurchen/Manchu invasions slated for the 1630s. While disappearance of benevolent neighbors like China and their trade is spooky and portentous, Korea's survival from an apparent "flood of the world" is considered positive, and the nation at least feels safe from the dreaded Japanese and Jurchen border ruffians.
How does East Asia develop without Korea, and how does Korea develop in isolation from the wider world until the late 18th century British or European exploration of the Pacific?
Korea and Ireland are close enough geographically, that fishermen from one or the other, will find the other landmass within a decade or so. Likely Irish fishermen first. After a longer period of time, the Koreans may encounter the Hawaiians.
Korea has a superior population and agricultural output to Ireland, and Korea's monarchy is a more royal governing system is probably more decisive and certain to be centralized than whatever regime(s) have come about in Ireland based on the Earl of Kildare and his heirs and the rest of the Irish aristocracy. But neither country seems ripe for conquest nor in good shape to mount an amphibious conquest of the other. The two may find they possess some things of value to trade, but will find they culturally have nothing in common and establishing communications and expectations will be hard work. How will their relations with each other, and possibly the Hawaiians, develop over the next 150, 175 years?
Presuming both landmasses are "rediscovered" by the wider world with the voyages of Captain Cook in the 1770s [my presumption is that Drake's circumnavigation would "miss" Ireland, because his path, southeast of Hawaii, missed this part of the Pacific, including, just barely, the big island of Hawaii itself, and the Manila galleons would also be well to the south and north of Korea and Ireland and Hawaii, contact comes with Cook], when, if ever, do Ireland and/or Korea get colonized by external powers like Britain or France?
And if either were to lose their sovereignty, what would their eventual independence process, and its timing look like?