The Americas Dems Insanity on 'Transgender Rights' Have Started Pushing Old School Feminists to the Conservatives

[Bacle]

Well, that's another nail into the coffin of the Dems coalition.

 

[Yokkiziikzekker]

That's because TERFs were never really leftists to begin with lol. It is consistent whether you agree with it or not...

 

[Bacle]

That's because TERFs were never really leftists to begin with lol. It is consistent whether you agree with it or not...

Yes, they were Classical Liberals, not socialist retards. That's a good thing.

 

[Yokkiziikzekker]

Yes, they were Classical Liberals

I don't see TERFs as classical liberals sorry
All the so-called "liberals" have been coopted by the Neoliberal/Neocon establishment
EDIT: Democrats Continue to Unify With Bush-Era Neocons

 

[Bacle]

I don't see TERFs as classical liberals sorry

Well they, unlike modern liberals and leftists, seem understand their are two biological sexes and no amount of hormones or surgeries will ever make a man into a woman or vis versa.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

*yawn* Hope TERF's and Trans destroy each other.

Remember, TERF's are still feminists. And feminists advocated for Queer and trans theory. They are just bitching cause the things they have advocated for now have a life on its own and seeks to advance their own interests instead of staying as feminist pets aka turning on feminists.

 

[Comrade Sophia]

Liberal "Feminists" have always been exclusive. Emma Goldman wrote quite extensively about how the bourgeois suffragists were a parasite of parasites, defending the class interests of their husbands at the expense of their sisters among the proletariat ignoring their plight as wage-slaves in her 1911 essay Woman Suffrage:

True, in the suffrage States women are guaranteed equal rights to property; but of what avail is that right to the mass of women without property, the thousands of wage workers, who live from hand to mouth? That equal suffrage did not, and cannot, affect their condition is admitted even by Dr. Sumner, who certainly is in a position to know.

She also wrote of the puritanical nature of the bourgeois Feminists.

Woman, essentially a purist, is naturally bigoted and relentless in her effort to make others as good as she thinks they ought to be. Thus, in Idaho, she has disfranchised her sister of the street, and declared all women of “lewd character” unfit to vote. “Lewd” not being interpreted, of course, as prostitution in marriage. It goes without saying that illegal prostitution and gambling have been prohibited. In this regard the law must needs be of feminine gender: it always prohibits. Therein all laws are wonderful. They go no further, but their very tendencies open all the floodgates of hell. Prostitution and gambling have never done a more flourishing business than since the law has been set against them.


In Colorado, the Puritanism of woman has expressed itself in a more drastic form. “Men of notoriously unclean lives, and men connected with saloons, have been dropped from politics since women have the vote." Could Brother Comstock do more? Could all the Puritan fathers have done more? I wonder how many women realize the gravity of this would-be feat. I wonder if they understand that it is the very thing which, instead of elevating woman, has made her a political spy, a contemptible pry into the private affairs of people, not so much for the good of the cause, but because, as a Colorado woman said, “they like to get into houses they have never been in, and find out all they can, politically and otherwise.” Yes, and into the human soul and its minutest nooks and corners. For nothing satisfies the craving of most women so much as scandal. And when did she ever enjoy such opportunities as are hers, the politician’s?

RadFems, descending from this same line of Liberal Feminism, adhere to this same reductive essentialist belief that if women were in control of the corrupt system they could fix it, even despite the clear evidence that the proletarian woman will still suffer in ways her bourgeois counterpart is given a pass on concerning herself with due to her class. Likewise, Goldman spoke of the Liberal Feminists, well Liberalism and thus implicitly developments of it, refusal to acknowledge the diversity of sexuality and gender.

It is a tragedy, I feel, that people of a different sexual type are caught in a world which shows so little understanding for homosexuals and is so crassly indifferent to the various gradations and variations of gender and their great significance in life.

 

[Bacle]

Liberal "Feminists" have always been exclusive. Emma Goldman wrote quite extensively about how the bourgeois suffragists were a parasite of parasites, defending the class interests of their husbands at the expense of their sisters among the proletariat ignoring their plight as wage-slaves in her 1911 essay Woman Suffrage:



She also wrote of the puritanical nature of the bourgeois Feminists.



RadFems, descending from this same line of Liberal Feminism, adhere to this same reductive essentialist belief that if women were in control of the corrupt system they could fix it, even despite the clear evidence that the proletarian woman will still suffer in ways her bourgeois counterpart is given a pass on concerning herself with due to her class. Likewise, Goldman spoke of the Liberal Feminists, well Liberalism and thus implicitly developments of it, refusal to acknowledge the diversity of sexuality and gender.

See, I can boil down all this socialist BS into a much more simple description accurate to the situation:

Women who want women to keep having babies and are old school feminists do not support telling men that they can be women, or women that they can be men, if they get surgeries and hormones.

TERFs, or what ever you call them, are at least sane enough to know their are only two biological sexes.

 

[ShieldWife]

Just because TERFs disagree with the transsexual movement doesn’t mean that they are somehow our friends. They are still anti-male bigots and extreme leftists. In a lot ways, feminism is a far greater danger to society than transgender politics.

But if leftists can fight each other, all the better.

 

[DarthOne]

Regarding this, I agree with @ShieldWife . The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. And TERFs are just as man-hating as the tumblrtard feminists.

 

[Bacle]

Just because TERFs disagree with the transsexual movement doesn’t mean that they are somehow our friends. They are still anti-male bigots and extreme leftists. In a lot ways, feminism is a far greater danger to society than transgender politics.

Regarding this, I agree with @ShieldWife . The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. And TERFs are just as man-hating as the tumblrtard feminists.

Does it really matter if they are our 'friends' if they decide to not vote for Dems and might back us on other issues?

I'm not really a fan of radfems, but I'm not going to turn them away if they are fed up with the Dems over the trans issue. That is a feeling and stance I can wholeheartedly sympathize with.

I also won't pretend I see feminists as a bigger threat to our species than the whole trans ideology.

Feminists have their problems, but a world full of women is still a better world than a self-inflicted extinction of our species because we let too many people sterilize themselves so they could be 'trans'.

 

[almostinsane]

Regarding this, I agree with @ShieldWife . The enemy of my enemy is still my enemy. And TERFs are just as man-hating as the tumblrtard feminists.

Yeah. Think Uncle Joe during World War II.

 

[Comrade Sophia]

Women who want women to keep having babies and are old school feminists do not support telling men that they can be women, or women that they can be men, if they get surgeries and hormones.

The most ardent TERFs see penis in vagina as inherently rape as consent is not possible in a patriarchal society and thus support both Political Lesbianism and Feminist Seperatism. They await gleeful for the day when the Y chromosome can be excised from humanity entirely, you understand? They are not going to vote for Republicans just to spite the transes.

TERFs, or what ever you call them, are at least sane enough to know their are only two biological sexes.

Are we using "sane" as synonymous with "denying science" now?

WHO | Gender and Genetics

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Interactive Map: Gender-Diverse Cultures

On nearly every continent, and for all of recorded history, thriving cultures have recognized, revered, and integrated more than two genders.

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There's way more than two sexes and gender is a social construct, some societies have two, others have three, four, five, an infinite number of genders, nor is it the same as sex.

 

[Deleted member]

Just because TERFs disagree with the transsexual movement doesn’t mean that they are somehow our friends. They are still anti-male bigots and extreme leftists. In a lot ways, feminism is a far greater danger to society than transgender politics.

But if leftists can fight each other, all the better.

Quite right. TERFs are just the trans-exclusionary variety of radfem, which can also be trans-accepting. In both cases they believe that all differences between the sexes are completely made up and a social construct used to oppress the "woman" class by the "man" class as a take on marxist theory. They are hard leftists, and anyone supporting the right wing who thinks otherwise is simply operating off a superficial understanding of "trans bad, therefore TERF good". In fact, the goal of all radfems is to completely "deconstruct" the very concept of gender. The only difference between TERFs and radfems is that:

1. Trans-positive Radfems believe that "transing" gender is an act of radical deconstruction which is good. This is the main guiding intellectual force of the modern transgenderist movement;
2. TERFs believe that, because gender is a social construct, there is no need to transition and therefore the entire process of a trans person adopting the social role of the opposite sex simply serves to perpetuate the existing power structures in society, and therefore, keep the woman-class oppressed.

In both cases they are stark raving cultural marxist lunatics.

 

[Bacle]

The most ardent TERFs see penis in vagina as inherently rape as consent is not possible in a patriarchal society and thus support both Political Lesbianism and Feminist Seperatism. They await gleeful for the day when the Y chromosome can be excised from humanity entirely, you understand? They are not going to vote for Republicans just to spite the transes.


Are we using "sane" as synonymous with "denying science" now?

WHO | Gender and Genetics

www.who.int

There's way more than two sexes and gender is a social construct, some societies have two, others have three, four, five, an infinite number of genders, nor is it the same as sex.

See, I might buy the science of the 'trans' movement if I didn't understand the financial and social incentives tied to the 'trans' movement.

Both the people getting surgeries/hormones and the medical professionals involved these days know they can make a lot of money doing it. Just look at the MtF 'trans' athletes who wipe the floor with biological women in many sporting events, and are setting new 'records' every month it seems.

 

[ShieldWife]

Does it really matter if they are our 'friends' if they decide to not vote for Dems and might back us on other issues?

I'm not really a fan of radfems, but I'm not going to turn them away if they are fed up with the Dems over the trans issue. That is a feeling and stance I can wholeheartedly sympathize with.

I also won't pretend I see feminists as a bigger threat to our species than the whole trans ideology.

Feminists have their problems, but a world full of women is still a better world than a self-inflicted extinction of our species because we let too many people sterilize themselves so they could be 'trans'.

Radical feminists are going to vote Democrat. Thinking otherwise is folly. May can maybe work together on bathrooms or locker rooms, which are pretty insignificant issues, but they are far more inherently hostile to conservatism than transsexuals are.

I think it’s unlikely than transsexuals ever become more than a few percent of the population, if that. The way they are treated isn’t that important when compared to poisoning the mind of 51% of the population.

The most ardent TERFs see penis in vagina as inherently rape as consent is not possible in a patriarchal society and thus support both Political Lesbianism and Feminist Seperatism. They await gleeful for the day when the Y chromosome can be excised from humanity entirely, you understand? They are not going to vote for Republicans just to spite the transes.

Yeah, I don’t see these people voting for Trump over who gets to go into what bathrooms.

 

[Bacle]

Yeah, I don’t see these people voting for Trump over who gets to go into what bathrooms.

No, but they might over wanting the tax payer to pay for in-prison transistion expense for inmates, something Dems (possibly even Bernie himself) have floated off and on.

 

[ShieldWife]

No, but they might over wanting the tax payer to pay for in-prison transistion expense for inmates, something Dems (possibly even Bernie himself) have floated off and on.

No, they won’t vote for Trump over that. That issue doesn’t even really matter.

 

[Morphic Tide]

There's way more than two sexes

XXY and XYY aren't grossly distinguishable from the above-99.9%-bimode of sexes as something unique, nor do they have any special reproductive functions. Sex hormone insensitivity conditions overwhelmingly result in simple underdevelopment of the features of the associated sex, and to my knowledge have no new structures particular to the conditions.

At the absolute most, one can say there's a scale of male/female for many features of the human body and the great bulk of humanity falls within two very narrow peaks that define the ends of the scale. The fact that human anatomy generates a female default, as shown by androgen insensitivity conditions, means that there is fundamentally not actually an additional sex. Merely various states that lie between the two modes in some fashion.

The entire biological basis for transgenderism rests on the notion of humans having precisely two normal sexes and gender is the societal expression of this standard, with exceptions being of minimal statistical relevance, and as such the partial match to the other sex's neurology is taken as a firm data point suggesting that the internal mental structure of the individual is closer to the opposite sex than their general anatomy.

The overwhelming majority of cases of societies with more than two gender roles are the addition of intersex social roles, typically males in female societal roles, or is a matter of a caste system divorced from sex on a basic level. Even then, of the population of humanity, those living in such societies form an extreme outlier of the human experience. To suggest there is a biological basis for more than two genders is farcical.

On every level, the standard is that there are two sexes, with a societal role associated with each, and exceptions are precisely that. Not the norm; outliers, exceptions, unusual, disorders, the list of ways to phrase it goes on, but it is quite simply not the standard.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

I also won't pretend I see feminists as a bigger threat to our species than the whole trans ideology.

Feminists have their problems, but a world full of women is still a better world than a self-inflicted extinction of our species because we let too many people sterilize themselves so they could be 'trans'.

Who advocated for Queer and Trans ideologies in the first place? Feminists.

The most ardent TERFs see penis in vagina as inherently rape as consent is not possible in a patriarchal society and thus support both Political Lesbianism and Feminist Seperatism. They await gleeful for the day when the Y chromosome can be excised from humanity entirely, you understand? They are not going to vote for Republicans just to spite the transes.

This poster even spells this out for you.

Exterminate the male. Now look at trans and who are the majority? MaleTF who castrate themselves.

As for human extinction? Humanity is not going anywhere anyway. Africa will make sure of that for now. Its every other ethnic group that have problems.