Female beauty standards and CarlManvers' Theory of Politics

CarlManvers2019

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But the definition of hate speech isn't things that are offensive. It's things they hate.

That includes criticism or resistance or saying that Star Wars The Last Jedi sucks

Plus, it’s not just “speech” to be regulated, I know you very much dislike porn

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But it’s safe to say even images are something they hate....or claim to hate

They call beautiful ugly and ugly beautiful

Problem is, they really can’t change the perception of what is physically attractive or not en masse
 
I've never really understood sex-negative feminists. The pornification of society has been nothing but a massive boon for their cause, as it's the leading cause of the downfall of social conservatism and religiosity in America, and I've never found their "objectification" argument to be particularly persuasive, and I say this as someone who would otherwise be in favor of censoring obscene or sexually gratuitous content.
 
I've never really understood sex-negative feminists. The pornification of society has been nothing but a massive boon for their cause, as it's the leading cause of the downfall of social conservatism and religiosity in America, and I've never found their "objectification" argument to be particularly persuasive, and I say this as someone who would otherwise be in favor of censoring obscene or sexually gratuitous content.

Let’s put it this way, sex-negative feminists have to all deal with one thing, whether they don’t work out or are only plain to ugly

Fact is, with time, they all get ugly

This helps make it so that even ladies who once participated in sexualising themselves for entertainment in Hollywood like Elizabeth Banks shaving their heads and going further Far Left

Sure, that freedom of sexuality is there, but who will even look at THEM when they look like this

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All those pretty women, even those 2D women make them remember how much LESS they are and gives them higher standards that they can’t or won’t live up to

Pride & Envy are things that can really hurt a persons self-esteem and cause them to lash out on others or try to bring them down
 
@CarlManvers2019 You may be correct in how simple envy may be playing a factor. I also think the idea of aesthetic standards in general offends them because they don't want their lives to be governed by standards they don't control. Social norms that don't conform to their whims are oppressive to a lot of these people.

Gosh, that is such a good way of summarizing so much of the hard left these days. Any standard that doesn't conform their whims must be done away with.
 
@CarlManvers2019 You may be correct in how simple envy may be playing a factor. I also think the idea of aesthetic standards in general offends them because they don't want their lives to be governed by standards they don't control. Social norms that don't conform to their whims are oppressive to a lot of these people.

I think it maybe a mix, there are probably women with a sort of “penis envy” for men or see looking womanly as being weak rather than being genuine tomboys or actual butch lesbians
 
Gosh, that is such a good way of summarizing so much of the hard left these days. Any standard that doesn't conform their whims must be done away with.

It's actually part of their philosophical worldview. Self-expression, individual autonomy, bodily autonomy... whatever you call it, they believe that not having these things violates their human rights. Their ideology is derived from liberalism to a large extent, so will see a lot overlap with them and liberals on that front. Heck, John Stuart Mill once claimed that social norms were a great threat to personal liberty than the state! I think they would concur.

No wonder they like Islam so much, it helps deal with the competition and to beat on the original populace of men they didn’t like before

The reason they like Islam is because Muslim men and feminists have a common enemy.
 
Gosh, that is such a good way of summarizing so much of the hard left these days. Any standard that doesn't conform their whims must be done away with.

The problem is worse then that its that they also want to force others to live by their whims and these whims change rapidly because their whims.

Give some one like that power and it will get murderiously bad real fast.
 
I've never really understood sex-negative feminists. The pornification of society has been nothing but a massive boon for their cause, as it's the leading cause of the downfall of social conservatism and religiosity in America, and I've never found their "objectification" argument to be particularly persuasive, and I say this as someone who would otherwise be in favor of censoring obscene or sexually gratuitous content.


Let's look at it in simple terms:

1) They are scolds. Self-righteous people who like to denounce other people for things. Which only works if it can be about something that there are other people who like it, and a case can be made that the thing being denounced is bad. Being anti-porn allows a feminist scold to feel good about opposing something about men.

2) Envy and projection. They like to accuse society of waging some kind of "War on Women". But who really hates and wishes ill to a beautiful young woman? Men? Of course not! Guys love hot chicks!
No, the kind of person who hates a beautiful young woman is... an ugly old woman. Especially when said young woman builds a career out of the attraction men have towards her.

None of this has anything much to do with why a social conservative opposes pornography.
 
Feminism is a very selfish movement, for a given feminist, her motives likely have more to do with what serves her own interests than anything based on some ideologically consistent foundation. This means that it will manifest differently for different people.

For a girl who is hot and/or slutty, feminism will manifest as a way to minimize the consequences of exploiting her appearance and sexuality. For women who can’t or won’t do this, feminism can be a way of attacking sexuality and male desires.

To increase their power in society, women are going to want maximize the value of female sexuality. With the sexual revolution, women got lots of additional power because they could exploit their sexuality with impunity. Pornography potentially undermines this power though, because it gives men a relatively cheap and low effort method of gaining sexual satisfaction. Which makes it reasonable for some feminists to oppose it, sex workers are like scabs who push down the cost of sex.

“Body positivity” has always been self serving and hypocritical. You might hear plenty of feminists say that a woman who is a 2 deserves to date a man who is a 9, but in the next sentence they basically say that unattractive men are rapists for even daring to have or express sexual desires.
 
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“Body positivity” has always been self serving and hypocritical. You might hear plenty of feminists say that a woman who is a 2 deserves to date a man who is a 9, but in the next sentence they basically say that unattractive men are rapists for even daring to have or express sexual desires.

They dislike the beauty standards males expect of them, but only really want men they don’t deserve or are way out of their reach
 
What do you mean they "don't truly despise men?"

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I think most of them have never or barely ever had any actual experience of abuse or oppression or repression from the men in their lives

They don’t love or care for other women either

It’s an “empty” hatred, one that puts them on a Crusade without a real end because they love the stuff they get to do and feel so powerful and righteous while at it

As I said before, there are people who join movements or even cults just to feel important and self righteous
 

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