Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread

Husky_Khan said:
Very scintillating conversation going on... but if I may...

Russian Diplomatic Facilities are undergoing more evacuations as well as the traditional burning of documents, such as this video out of the Odessa Consulate.
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That strongly suggests things are about to get more intense, not less.

Husky_Khan said:
It was the Kenyan Representative who most distilled the idea of this being related to colonialism and why he frowns upon racial, ethnic and religious irredentism.
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Obviously they have to frown upon it - those who live in glass houses have no business throwing stones, and one could do crazy shit in Africa by throwing such fast and loose arguments about which ethnicity belongs in which country whether they like it or not, followed by military action.
So it is a matter of national security for many countries in Africa to make sure such arguments don't become accepted in international politics.
 
Butch R. Mann said:
Well, according to official Ukrainian sources (supported by hundreds of independent accounts) they haven't fired a single artillery shell or rocket at urban areas in Donbas since the fighting started in 2014, nor they did any air strikes.
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Red Cross flags dire conditions in east Ukraine as tensions flare anew with Russia
"There are densely populated areas that are regularly feeling the direct effects of shooting, shelling and so on. You have casualties from mines and unexploded ordnance," said Martin Schuepp, ICRC regional director for Europe and Central Asia.
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Husky_Khan said:
Very scintillating conversation going on... but if I may...

Russian Diplomatic Facilities are undergoing more evacuations as well as the traditional burning of documents, such as this video out of the Odessa Consulate.






It was the Kenyan Representative who most distilled the idea of this being related to colonialism and why he frowns upon racial, ethnic and religious irredentism.

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Kenya's position here is unsurprising considering that it crushed a Somali separist uprising in the 1960s:

Shifta War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org

Though considering that Somalia is currently a shithole, maybe Kenya crushing this uprising was a blessing in disguise.
 
Airedale260 said:
Great. A meme war. That’ll show the Russians…
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The US State Department seems to love fighting meme wars and using hashtags in place of any policy decisionmaking. Presumably it's so nobody has to stick their neck out by making a decision or recommendation on something that goes bad, but we've seen this shit with people taken hostage in Africa and Haiti, the Afghanistan bullshit, here with Ukraine...It's just so nothing.
Like...Me or you or anyone else here can do it, but we have the excuse of not having the resources of the US STATE DEPARTMENT behind us.

Then again, I suppose Azov Battalion or Ukraine's memetic levels of corruption (towards both Russia and the West) probably wouldn't make good PR copy for the State Department. But you'd think they could at least, like...I dunnow, use a photograph of the fat stacks of Javelin missile launchers the Ukrainian military got instead of 'Yass queen slay!' highschool bullshit (as somewhat amusing as that stuff can be sometimes).
 
prinCZess said:
The US State Department seems to love fighting meme wars and using hashtags in place of any policy decisionmaking. Presumably it's so nobody has to stick their neck out by making a decision or recommendation on something that goes bad, but we've seen this shit with people taken hostage in Africa and Haiti, the Afghanistan bullshit, here with Ukraine...It's just so nothing.
Like...Me or you or anyone else here can do it, but we have the excuse of not having the resources of the US STATE DEPARTMENT behind us.

Then again, I suppose Azov Battalion or Ukraine's memetic levels of corruption (towards both Russia and the West) probably wouldn't make good PR copy for the State Department. But you'd think they could at least, like...I dunnow, use a photograph of the fat stacks of Javelin missile launchers the Ukrainian military got instead of 'Yass queen slay!' highschool bullshit (as somewhat amusing as that stuff can be sometimes).
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Or, I.E., we have supposed adults with the mentalities of 12-year olds working in the State Dept. under our great decrepit child-molesting hair-sniffing Fossil-in-Chief Biden. Makes everyone feel better I bet. 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬



In other news, there's a video out of a Russian T-80U tank column near the Ukraine border, can't post the link but here's the context:

This tank column was apparently seen along the 14K-4 road near Golovchino, Belgorod Oblast, this morning. That's 16km from the Ukrainian border and 67km North West of Kharkhiv. A good position for somebody who would want to enter Ukraine, flank Kharkhiv from the West and rush toward Poltava, 130km away.
Those are T-80U. We believe those tanks therefore belong to the 4th Guards Tank Division, 1st Guards Tank Army. The elite outfit of the Russian Western Military District.
What you see here is roughly half a tank regiment, probably belonging to either the 12th Guards or 13th Guards tank regiments of the 4th GTD.
Beside the 4th Guards Tank Division, the Belgorod Oblast seems to currently be home to units belonging to the 2nd Guards Motor Rifle Division. Estimated combined strength: Up to 11 Bataillon Tactical Groups.
On the other side of the border, Kharkhiv seems to only be defended by a single Ukrainian Mechanised Infantry Brigade.
-RBM.

This link might work:

 
prinCZess said:
The US State Department seems to love fighting meme wars and using hashtags in place of any policy decisionmaking. Presumably it's so nobody has to stick their neck out by making a decision or recommendation on something that goes bad, but we've seen this shit with people taken hostage in Africa and Haiti, the Afghanistan bullshit, here with Ukraine...It's just so nothing.
Like...Me or you or anyone else here can do it, but we have the excuse of not having the resources of the US STATE DEPARTMENT behind us.

Then again, I suppose Azov Battalion or Ukraine's memetic levels of corruption (towards both Russia and the West) probably wouldn't make good PR copy for the State Department. But you'd think they could at least, like...I dunnow, use a photograph of the fat stacks of Javelin missile launchers the Ukrainian military got instead of 'Yass queen slay!' highschool bullshit (as somewhat amusing as that stuff can be sometimes).
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Tiamat said:
Or, I.E., we have supposed adults with the mentalities of 12-year olds working in the State Dept. under our great decrepit child-molesting hair-sniffing Fossil-in-Chief Biden. Makes everyone feel better I bet.
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I think the problem is, as someone pointed out elsewhere, is that the people running the State Department aren’t at all used to the idea of geopolitical conflict. Their experience of fighting ideologies they find anathema is, well, American political campaigns. Which, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t anything like this.

I suppose it’s going to be a trial by fire, and all we can really do is hope that fire isn’t nuclear.
 
IF Putin is going to go all in, now is the time.

Zelensky ordered a mobilization of reserves which, in theory, should complete within 72 hours. Hitting too soon would've enabled those reservists to disperse to fight an insurgent war should they be so inclined, while waiting would enable the Ukrainians to deploy fully formed battle groups which, in sum total, would outnumber what Russia has deployed along their border and in Belarus. Right now is the "sweet spot" of an attack, where the reserves are still forming and thus can be smashed at their depots when they are most vulnerable. Likewise, the vast bulk of the standing Ukrainian Army is deployed against Donbass, meaning they are far from their base of supply and exposed to encirclement from a Russian pincer which would enable Moscow to destroy the core forces of Kiev in the opening day of the attack.

Either it will happen within the next 24 hours or it's not going to happen at all on the Russian end. After the mobilization of Ukraine is finished, the danger becomes Kiev starting something. The next week will be interesting, to say the least.
 
Looks like crowds measuring in the tens were celebrating the news of Putin's announcement last night! Guess everyone else got evacuated which explains the sausage fest.

 
More foreigners bailing out. For one example...



Medical Students from India! Whole thread on the Twitter. Interesting to get the snap reactions from the students and how safe they felt being there or relieved they got out.

Oh and in less important news, this guy made a speech.

 
History Learner said:
IF Putin is going to go all in, now is the time.

Zelensky ordered a mobilization of reserves which, in theory, should complete within 72 hours. Hitting too soon would've enabled those reservists to disperse to fight an insurgent war should they be so inclined, while waiting would enable the Ukrainians to deploy fully formed battle groups which, in sum total, would outnumber what Russia has deployed along their border and in Belarus. Right now is the "sweet spot" of an attack, where the reserves are still forming and thus can be smashed at their depots when they are most vulnerable. Likewise, the vast bulk of the standing Ukrainian Army is deployed against Donbass, meaning they are far from their base of supply and exposed to encirclement from a Russian pincer which would enable Moscow to destroy the core forces of Kiev in the opening day of the attack.

Either it will happen within the next 24 hours or it's not going to happen at all on the Russian end. After the mobilization of Ukraine is finished, the danger becomes Kiev starting something. The next week will be interesting, to say the least.
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Kiev won't start anything now that Russia is in the Donbass.

www.theguardian.com

Ukrainians ready for resistance: ‘The whole country will be fighting back’

Army less well equipped than Russia’s but can call upon half a million combat-experienced veterans
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
 
Butch R. Mann said:
Half a million combat experienced veterans? What does pass as combat experience there, a bar brawl? Because there is no way that many troops went through clashes in the Donbas in the last eight years, not even close.
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It is from the Guardian, aka the most fake of fake news, if BoJo axes the BBC there goes most of that rag's revenue.
Also a rag that calls GamerGate and Trump supporters terrorists and thinks Russiagate and Trump paying hookers to piss on Obama's bed were a thing.

Anyway, here is Maverick' of Wallstreet's opinion on the economic impact, I frankly don't agree with his views on Putin, but he does cover the broader impact of sanctioning Russia.

 
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