Russian-Ukrainian-Polish Eternal Friendship Thread

Better yet,
All of former Yugoslavia should be freely invaded by Serbia
Zach I agree with you we need to check Russia but Serbia should own most of former Yugoslavia.

TBH I can live with Russia getting swole/taking land formerly inhabited by the Russian Empire/Soviet Union. What I care about is China.
Why? Like we have interests in both Europe and Asia why give Russia a pass but not China?
 
Zach I agree with you we need to check Russia but Serbia should own most of former Yugoslavia.

I'm sure most of those former Yugoslav Republics that broke away could vote to reunify with Serbia again if they want to. There might be some difficulties for those that are EU Members but ultimately I'm sure a pathway could be found.
 
Some more indications of the buildup of 'Russian Peacekeepers' as they encircle Ukraine in order to contain their aggression.



Also apparently Russian bots or whatever have been engaged in false reporting of various Twitter accounts analyzing Russian Affairs and that specific conflict in general and Twitter itself is too dumb to realize it.

 
Zach I agree with you we need to check Russia but Serbia should own most of former Yugoslavia.
Kosovo - certainly, Croats and Slovenes and Monetnegrans actually have a pretty long history and a legitimate claim to their lands.
Here is the thing, most Serb lands have been unified for a fairly short period of time, originally IIRC under Stefan Dushan, but before and after that they were separate entities.
Why? Like we have interests in both Europe and Asia why give Russia a pass but not China?
Because Russia produces a lot of stuff the west consumes, and a lot of stuff you do not want them exporting to more dubious actors, because 150 million people is a big market and because you do not want them being friendly with China and giving them easy access to their market and raw materials.

Basically the world's biggest country, in control of a lot of strategic resources, and the world's most populous country teaming up to fuck with the west.


You think most Russians will give a shit about the iGarbage if they can get a phone with equivalent specs for a third of the price made by Xiaomi or Huawei and sold on AliExpress for 1/3 the price?

No, and for Russia and China it will be a win, because the Russians get the consumer gadgets and the Chinese get the money.

Oh, and by the way, the iCrap, well China actually buys about 15% of it.

If Tim Cook so much as looks at Xi the wrong way iPhone sales tank hard.

Anyway, here is an interesting little video from RebelCapitalist featuring notable commodities investor Rick Rule, who has a few things to say about commodities, Russia and the various forms of bribery that happen around the world, interesting when you consider that nonsense corruption perception map a few people here were touting:
cc @Floridaman
 
Poland has older claims then Russia has there.
Theoretically speaking, Poland is the only one with a right to the whole damn Ruthenia.
Why? Because the last descendant of the rulers of all Rus died having only a daughter as his successor and she in turn married Trojden Prince of Czersk originating from the Piast dynasty, both had a son Boleslaw George II who died childless but his rights to the inheritance along with the title of lord of all Rus passed in his will to Polish King Casimir III who, taking advantage of this armed occupation of part of the principality and annexed it to Poland, while the northern part was lost to the Lithuanians.
Despite the attempts of the Hungarians to detach Halicz from Poland it remained together with the title of lord of all Rus with the title of the Kings of Poland, and this together with many others became part of the Crown of the Polish Kingdom. Thus technically Poland's wars with Moscow were wars between the legitimate power and the rebellious Ruthenian principality.

And since the Concept of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland assumes that once conquered land legally! It belongs forever to Poland and modern Poland considers itself as a successor of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth which included Poland. This means that every country which is a part of Rus and considers itself as its successor is theoretically a part of Poland and Poland should strive to regain these territories from the hands of the rebellious countries.

Of course, we know that this is unlikely to happen, first of all, it would take someone either very clever or someone crazy to pursue the annexation of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia on the basis of these claims.
Secondly, it is rather good material for a book than for a political concept.

But theoretically, we have claims to the whole of Ruthenia and Russia is a rebellious country which should be annexed by us. :LOL:
Although, well, in a way it came true as the Russian Emperor crowned himself King of Poland. So you could say that in fact Poland was from the sea to the Pacific.;)
 
They have been rotating reservists through service on the lines with the separatist republics, where skirmishing often happens. Which is some combat experience for sure, even if not much.
And then there are veterans of the 2014-2015 war.
Still not enough to come near the half a million mark, due to their limitations on who can be sent to the front line - which is volunteers (and voluntolds) and contract soldiers, conscripts and reservist are used in rear echelon service and on Russian border, thus the burden of combat service has so far been carried by relatively small number of men, compared to general population.
 
Still not enough to come near the half a million mark, due to their limitations on who can be sent to the front line - which is volunteers (and voluntolds) and contract soldiers, conscripts and reservist are used in rear echelon service and on Russian border, thus the burden of combat service has so far been carried by relatively small number of men, compared to general population.
Economist claims they have 300k veterans in reserve, 250k standing force most of which probably were rotated through the frontline, and there may be some unknown number of other Donbass war veterans in form of current/former militia members.
Some of the veteran reservists may be former professional soldiers too.
 
Kosovo - certainly, Croats and Slovenes and Monetnegrans actually have a pretty long history and a legitimate claim to their lands.
Here is the thing, most Serb lands have been unified for a fairly short period of time, originally IIRC under Stefan Dushan, but before and after that they were separate entities.

Because Russia produces a lot of stuff the west consumes, and a lot of stuff you do not want them exporting to more dubious actors, because 150 million people is a big market and because you do not want them being friendly with China and giving them easy access to their market and raw materials.

Basically the world's biggest country, in control of a lot of strategic resources, and the world's most populous country teaming up to fuck with the west.


You think most Russians will give a shit about the iGarbage if they can get a phone with equivalent specs for a third of the price made by Xiaomi or Huawei and sold on AliExpress for 1/3 the price?

No, and for Russia and China it will be a win, because the Russians get the consumer gadgets and the Chinese get the money.

Oh, and by the way, the iCrap, well China actually buys about 15% of it.

If Tim Cook so much as looks at Xi the wrong way iPhone sales tank hard.

Anyway, here is an interesting little video from RebelCapitalist featuring notable commodities investor Rick Rule, who has a few things to say about commodities, Russia and the various forms of bribery that happen around the world, interesting when you consider that nonsense corruption perception map a few people here were touting:
cc @Floridaman

Thanks for that video, love the rebel capitalist it also got me to look at lukoil, and man was it at a discount.
 

Half a million combat experienced veterans? What does pass as combat experience there, a bar brawl? Because there is no way that many troops went through clashes in the Donbas in the last eight years, not even close.

Afghanistan, maybe?
 
Afghanistan, maybe?

Yeah it's probably the ol' Soviet Army. A lot of the trainers for the expanded Reserve Force are apparently from back in the day.



Ukraine has been pretty active in peacekeeping operations but I don't think it's ever approached the range or scale of hundreds of thousands lol. Like their current contribution to MONUC IIRC is a very important and crucial helicopter transportation unit. And their deployment in Iraq, while comparatively sizable to other allies, was still only under two thousand troops for a number of years and a far smaller contingent in Afghanistan.
 
Ukraine knows full on invasion is underway soon.
The Russians in the separatist regions just make it more known then if they did it without the Donbass area
 
Ukraine knows full on invasion is underway soon.
The Russians in the separatist regions just make it more known then if they did it without the Donbass area

Yeah the Jewish-Nazi President of the Ukraine has announced that Ukrainians in Russia should probably leave the country as soon as possible. There's an estimated two million Ukrainians living in Russia plus another one or two million working in Russia in various migrant style jobs.

He's also declared a thirty day long State of Emergency.

Also "someone" apparently took down services for various Ukrainian institutions targeting various health, security and foreign ministry concerns.


So it actually only took an actual open declaration of Putin and the Russian government that Ukraine isn't a real country and an invasion of their territory in the disputed Donbass area after abandoning the 2015 Minsk Agreements to convince Ukraine to actually respond substantially. So aggressive Ukraine has been.
 
Yeah the Jewish-Nazi President of the Ukraine has announced that Ukrainians in Russia should probably leave the country as soon as possible. There's an estimated two million Ukrainians living in Russia plus another one or two million working in Russia in various migrant style jobs.

He's also declared a thirty day long State of Emergency.

Also "someone" apparently took down services for various Ukrainian institutions targeting various health, security and foreign ministry concerns.


So it actually only took an actual open declaration of Putin and the Russian government that Ukraine isn't a real country and an invasion of their territory in the disputed Donbass area after abandoning the 2015 Minsk Agreements to convince Ukraine to actually respond substantially. So aggressive Ukraine has been.
They were DDoS'd by the Russian
 
Yeah the Jewish-Nazi President of the Ukraine has announced that Ukrainians in Russia should probably leave the country as soon as possible. There's an estimated two million Ukrainians living in Russia plus another one or two million working in Russia in various migrant style jobs.

He's also declared a thirty day long State of Emergency.

Also "someone" apparently took down services for various Ukrainian institutions targeting various health, security and foreign ministry concerns.


So it actually only took an actual open declaration of Putin and the Russian government that Ukraine isn't a real country and an invasion of their territory in the disputed Donbass area after abandoning the 2015 Minsk Agreements to convince Ukraine to actually respond substantially. So aggressive Ukraine has been.

Interestingly enough, the Ukrainian presence in parts of Russia used to be very large. Here's 1926 data:

1280px-Ukrainians_in_Russian_regions_1926.jpg
 
Yeah it's probably the ol' Soviet Army. A lot of the trainers for the expanded Reserve Force are apparently from back in the day.



Ukraine has been pretty active in peacekeeping operations but I don't think it's ever approached the range or scale of hundreds of thousands lol. Like their current contribution to MONUC IIRC is a very important and crucial helicopter transportation unit. And their deployment in Iraq, while comparatively sizable to other allies, was still only under two thousand troops for a number of years and a far smaller contingent in Afghanistan.

Ukraine Requires Women To Register for Military Conscription as Russia Threat Looms

Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense has significantly expanded the pool of Ukrainian women who are required to register for possible military conscription in the event of a major war.


According to an updated regulation that went into effect Friday, Dec. 17, women between 18 and 60 who are “fit for military service” and work in a broad range of professions are required to register with Ukraine’s armed forces.

Yeah, if they had enough able-bodied men willing to fight in the range of 18 to 60 then they'd be drafting those.

It might be a circus to make Ukraine look needy and deserving of western help, but in normal situations even male conscription ends at around 35.

A 59 year old babushka with an AK probably won't be able to do much in the event of a real invasion.

So, either they are that desperate or this is a stunt, in both cases it doesn't bode well for their troop strength.


 
Interestingly enough, the Ukrainian presence in parts of Russia used to be very large. Here's 1926 data:

1280px-Ukrainians_in_Russian_regions_1926.jpg
And the percentage of British people in the USA would have been, what 50/50 during the US war of independence?

That old data is irrelevant, back then people from one republic were being sent all over the place to build infrastructure projects and do various types of work as per the orders of the Soviet government, also they were all part of the USSR, so basically the same country.
New data shows Ukrainians to be about 1.4% of Russia's population.Link
 
Ukraine Requires Women To Register for Military Conscription as Russia Threat Looms



Yeah, if they had enough able-bodied men willing to fight in the range of 18 to 60 then they'd be drafting those.

It might be a circus to make Ukraine look needy and deserving of western help, but in normal situations even male conscription ends at around 35.

A 59 year old babushka with an AK probably won't be able to do much in the event of a real invasion.

So, either they are that desperate or this is a stunt, in both cases it doesn't bode well for their troop strength.



Israel also does female conscription, and yet their military is no joke!

And the percentage of British people in the USA would have been, what 50/50 during the US war of independence?

That old data is irrelevant, back then people from one republic were being sent all over the place to build infrastructure projects and do various types of work as per the orders of the Soviet government, also they were all part of the USSR, so basically the same country.
New data shows Ukrainians to be about 1.4% of Russia's population.Link

Yeah, due to mass Russification, either voluntary or coerced, as in the Kuban.
 
Israel also does female conscription, and yet their military is no joke!
Israel has to do it because they are a very small country surrounded by enemies, with a large number of insurgents within their own territory, that place has been in a constant battle for its survival since its inception.

Ukraine is much larger and the external threats to its continuing existence come from at most one country, and those they brought upon themselves.
Also a country of, what was it, 30+ million shouldn't have that much of a problem in mustering enough male conscripts, unless of course you don't have massive draft dodging and external migration thatlimits the number of young men that can be drafted.

Yeah, due to mass Russification, either voluntary or coerced, as in the Kuban.
 

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