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Armchair General's DonbAss Derailed Discussion Thread (Topics Include History, Traps, and the Ongoing Slavic Civil War plus much much more)
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So your counter is, a single Russian Bot's Telegram feed...
Chiron
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There are thousands of these all showing the same general Russian Dominance. And then there is simply the fact the Russians are still gaining ground and UkA counter-attacks are not gaining lasting changes.
The surrenders are picking up from the UkA Ranks.
Daily reminder Russia dominates the skies and is launching more drone strikes than Ukraine and pulverizing the UkA more than the UkA can pulverize their troops.
Russia has launched a renewed offensive in the Mykolaiv Area.
Russia going after UkA counter-battery radars.
UkA Battlegroup getting wiped.
And I hit the limit on media.
King Arts
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I don’t know why everyone is so heated up about this unless you are Russian or Ukrainian you should not get riled up from this. I understand Marduk and ATP are poles and as a fellow eastern euro I think there should be concerns. But the right action is too just feed the Ukrainians weapons to make it hard for Russia to digest them. I am also American however so I perfectly understand some people want to not get involved. But not getting involved does not mean shillings for Russia. I mean Agent you are Bulgarian why so hung ho about Russia? I can understand Chinese helping because they’d want help against America in the future, but what would Bulgaria gain by a closer more powerful Russia?
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Yup, Poles in the west have been wagging the dog in regards to Russia/The USSR for a very, very long time, and Poland is trying to do the same with the EU now, despite having buffers and being in NATO.
They are fucking the whole EU and acting as the Anglos' Trojan Horse within it.
Chiron
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More surrenders
A UkA Major.
Misled Comrades who laid down their arms and defected to Russia (More standard lines here)
Azov Battalion doing it wrong. They no longer are a concern.
Another UkA unit pasted.
It should be clear to all now that UkA has lost the war and is only martyring themselves.
Now show anyone who's not Russian or using Russian sources confirming that stuff?
Oh wait, you can't, because it's Russian propaganda.
sillygoose
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Bulgarians are very close to Russia culturally and historically.
Bulgarians protest during US Defense Sec. Austin's visit, PM says no Ukraine military aid
Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov says he will not send military assistance to Ukraine as protests gathered for his press conference with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.
www.foxnews.com
sillygoose
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Yep. Shoring up supply lines, getting a breather, closing specific pockets, liquidating Mariupol. Then it will be time for phase 2.
I'm not so sure about that especially if they end up controlling Ukraine's oil and gas deposits as well as major industrial zones and grain producing regions. As we can see from the sanctions Russia controlling even more global strategic resources will only enhance their strategic power, while the rest of the world suffers economically from the sanctions war that has started. Plus Russia is gaining major modern peer-level combat experience that the West lacks. In the short term relatively speaking Russia will suffer considerably, but not necessarily more than the West. China stands to benefit the most from the shit-fight between Russia and the West, since Russia then becomes more dependent on them and the West are hurt by sanctions and it frays their alliance system as well as institutions like SWIFT, which China has an alternative to that Russia and her trade partners will need to start using.
Not only that, but it appears much of NATO has depleted itself by sending over huge quantities of weapons as quickly as possible and as we know from the Bundeswehr situation replacing those quickly is not going to be easy and make NATO even less able to be activated for deployment. Plus the deaths of so many foreign fighters of former SF background is going to deplete the West of deniable quick deploy fighters.
As you mention this also strengthens Putin's position internally by revealing dissenters or removing potential opposition in the army.
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And criminally.Bulgarians are very close to Russia culturally and historically.
Bulgarians protest during US Defense Sec. Austin's visit, PM says no Ukraine military aid
Bulgarian Prime Minister Kiril Petkov says he will not send military assistance to Ukraine as protests gathered for his press conference with Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin.
Investigation: Russian Elites’ Connections to Bulgaria’s Largest ‘Crime Group’ - The Moscow Times
Several heads of Russian state-owned companies — including acquaintances of President Vladimir Putin — have residences in a Bulgarian Black Sea resort controlled by TIM — an organization U.S. diplomats named one of Bulgaria’s largest crime organizations and which was created by communist-era...
www.themoscowtimes.com
What buffers? Look at a bloody map sometimes maybe.
Chiron
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Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
Oh, lol, the Pole has called me a leftist, a Russian bot and now he is trying to imply that I am a criminal.And criminally.
Investigation: Russian Elites’ Connections to Bulgaria’s Largest ‘Crime Group’ - The Moscow Times
Several heads of Russian state-owned companies — including acquaintances of President Vladimir Putin — have residences in a Bulgarian Black Sea resort controlled by TIM — an organization U.S. diplomats named one of Bulgaria’s largest crime organizations and which was created by communist-era...
Gonna call me an agent of Belzeboob next?
Stay classy, you strawpeople dunker!
I am sure Putin will be able to stage an invasion of Poland through that exclave they have in Kaliningrad(sarcasm)
Funny thing is, before you and the Balts and the US state department tried to Maidan/color revolution him, Lukashenko was trying to be neutral and play both sides, so that one going back into the Russia camp you can blame yourtself and your buddies.
Let us see now, 200k tourists per year, close cultural relations, mutual good will between our people.We also used to sell them all sorts of stuff, ranging from pharmaceuticals to construction and other services.
And what we got from Russia was a pittance in comparison to what the whole EU block got.
So, to sum up, you Poles are making all of us poorer, since everything from SAP and Volkswagen to Carrefeur and Metro will be losing revenue while all our input and food and energy costs will go up.
These effects will echo across the economy over and over.
Did i? Welp, if you are jumping in the way to catch that tag too, be my guest.
Knowing how the current invasion is going, wouldn't put that past him.
Ah, so you agree that he's not a buffer, just jumping to "its your fault that he's not because you didn't cuck to him".
I'd say it Russian retardation, but whatever...
News at eleven, conflicts cost money, whether you start them or not.
Muh economy!
You're no better than the pro mass migration RINOs who shout about muh GDP.
More surrenders
Born 1916, this Comrade Babushka has seen it all.
So your response to someone telling you to provide non-Russian sources...
Is to provide stuff from the exact same Russian sources...
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
As transparent as mountain air, as usual.
Oh, is the great Pole now afraid of evil Putin, the same Putin you tried to convince everyone is a pushover and that his army is a joke and easy pickings for the Ukrainians?
Surely the Polish army, with NATO backing will have no problem to counter him, no?
Didn't cuck to him how?
Did he ask for a piece of Poland, did he ask for money?
Lukashenko was, for better or for worse, the leader of a sovereign state, if you wanted something from you should have bargained.
He gets something, you get something, that is called Diplomatic negotiations, maybe you should look up the concept.
Wanna know what is not conjugate to international negotiations with some country?
Trying to overthrow whoever is in power there!
We have no dog in this fight.
The EU overstretched, but even then it could have done more to force federalization in Ukraine in exchange for membership.
NATO could have been vetoed and them joining the EU could have been made contingent on them staying militarily neutral and out of NATO.
Or, alternately, we could have ditched NATO altogether, added a defensive military component to the EU without having to buy overpriced US gear, and just stimulated the EU-wide economy by buying French, Italian, German and Swedish equipment in stead of filling the coffers of Lockheed-Martin and Reytheon and Blackrock.
Once again, your attempt to suck up to people and use ad hominem attacks is both pathetic and transparent.
If I am a RINO then you are a Neocon warmonger that hasn't seen a way is McCain-level
obsessed.
Needless to say, I am against mass migration to Europe.
I am also against the price of flour going up by over 40%, the price of sunflower oil doubling, and the price of gasoline, natural gas and fertilizers shooting up.
Nice strawmen you build and nice ad-hominem attacks you constantly resort to, you got nothing, zero, jack-fucking-shit, and as I told you before, I am winning.
Actually I do.
Russia and Russian sources have been lying about this war since it began to the point it's now actually illegal to NOT lie in Russia about how things are going.
This means that anything Russian now has negative credibility. Meaning if you want to use it, you need to first prove it's accuracy.
Look up when did Belarus join the Union State with Russia.
Also you get free air piracy, no need to bargain for that.
Its literally on EU borders, between a hostile and friendly country.
"Federalization" was always with implication that Russia will be the arbiter of it, its pointless if Ukraine joins EU, while Ukraine can't join EU if it is done to Russia's satisfaction (as Donbass would veto it).
Again, back to studying history.
Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
EU. Not NATO. EU. Stop making up fictional Russian foreign policy that's far more lenient and in line with their propaganda than the real one is. NATO may be slightly more unacceptable to them than EU, but that doesn't change the fact that Ukraine in EU is still fucking unacceptable to Putin.
The "Russia is just genuinely afraid of evil NATO expansion" is just a propaganda line meant to be easily swallowed by gullible westerners.
In reality Putin wants Ukraine and Belarus to join Russia in their union state (Belarus is on schedule more or less, Ukraine went off track), and any kind of long term integration with the west that's hard to roll back, EU, NATO or whatever you call it, Russia will consider unacceptable.
Lol, you are winning in making people laugh.
Doesn't change the fact that Putin going full Z caused the price rises, and other than begging him to not do so and letting him have everything he wants with as little fight as possible (aka cucking), you don't seem to have any alternative ideas.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
So?
That whole thing was done for cultural reasons and because Lukashenko actually thought that he could be president of Russia, they were perfectly willing to take everyone's money and flip-flopped between Russia and the West so as to safeguard their interests.
Belarus could have stayed there as a buffer, with Lukashenko playing both sides.
Bush backs Ukraine and Georgia for Nato membership - Tuesday 1 April 2008 11.49 BSTIts literally on EU borders, between a hostile and friendly country.
"Federalization" was always with implication that Russia will be the arbiter of it, its pointless if Ukraine joins EU, while Ukraine can't join EU if it is done to Russia's satisfaction (as Donbass would veto it).
Again, back to studying history.
Russian embargo of Ukrainian goods - Wikipedia
EU. Not NATO. EU. Stop making up fictional Russian foreign policy that's far more lenient and in line with their propaganda than the real one is. NATO may be slightly more unacceptable to them than EU, but that doesn't change the fact that Ukraine in EU is still fucking unacceptable to Putin.
The "Russia is just genuinely afraid of evil NATO expansion" is just a propaganda line meant to be easily swallowed by gullible westerners.
In reality Putin wants Ukraine and Belarus to join Russia in their union state (Belarus is on schedule more or less, Ukraine went off track), and any kind of long term integration with the west that's hard to roll back, EU, NATO or whatever you call it, Russia will consider unacceptable.
Relations with Ukraine
A strong, independent Ukraine is vital for the stability of the Euro-Atlantic area. Relations between NATO and Ukraine date back to the early 1990s and have since developed into one of the most substantial of NATO’s partnerships. Since 2014, in the wake of Russia’s illegal annexation of Crimea...
The price rises are happening because of our dear, dear hegemonic overlords in the ECB, the FED and the White house and Brusseles being inept morons.
First they made money printer go Brr and disrupted the economy with lockdowns.
Then they decided to pick a fight with the top Wheat, energy and fertilizers exporter over a non-NATO, non-EU country.
As to the Ukrainian desire to be in the EU, well, if they were not willing to federalize so that we can keep good relations with Russia they should have fucked off.
That would have given the EU a graceful out, the best situation would have been one where we split it down the middle and we get the western agricultural areas and Putin gets the Russian minority and all the industries as well as a land route to Crimea.
And of course they would have had to deal with their neo-Nazi problem and Oligarch problem, too.
So, maybe in 20 years.
Also, you do realize that the whole Maidan was organized by Nuland, and she and the other neocon retards pushed for Ukraine in NATO, right?
No one cares what Lukashenko thought or wanted, because in hindsight we know that he's not a very competent player in this. Any idiot can give him money, and he's smart enough to take the money, but not much more than that. Beyond that, Putin has more tools to control him than just money, is playing him into staying on track, and the track leads to Russia. Lukashenko was even trying to delay that, but between Putin playing the west and him, that was not going to last forever.
A president on his way out. And yet nothing happened in 2008. Nothing happened in 2010.
Russia threw a fit in 2013, and then in 2014. Coincidence?
Relying on Russia for energy was stupid in general and many were saying that for more than a decade before corona and all related crap. Also funny that you throw in wheat that the EU doesn't want, most of Russian wheat export goes to third world countries that are not involved.
If they do, the whole fucking point of Russian insistence is that is that it would lead to their EU membership being vetoed by puppet east. Either way, the end result is no EU.
So surrender with quietly asking for scraps as reward for being a good surrender monkey, as i said.
Agent23
Ни шагу назад!
USA does a coup.
USA wants to get Ukraine into NATO, despite Russian protests.
Yeah, we all remember me explaining to you about Russian red lines.
You still need to take your anti-selective amnesia pills, maybe get some anti-hypocrisy pills, too.
Pipes and Russian gas are cheaper than LNG.
Also, we are talking about the current reality, not coulda, woulda, shouldas.
Stop whining and changing the subject.
Good.
We'd get the good parts of Ukraine and make Europe self-sufficient in food and could be on our way to becoming a top agricultural exporter in a growing, hungry world.Putin gets the old Kolkhoz buildings and the pro-communist grannies and we get the fertile land.
Win-Win.