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The Unicorn

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Simonbob said:
Here, in a story full of Royal families, Dukes and Lords, you wanted your guy to put in some limited democracy. There were a few folks who were so upset that you wanted a limited democratic system (In a setup where democracy pretty much didn't exist) that they drove the story out of the site.
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That isn't fair to the readers and giving SB too much credit. While there were a bunch of silly readers who got out of hand, when the SB moderators intervened they made it clear that the content of the chapter was problematical as well, although they were "generous" enough to let it go unless the story was going to have more politics in it. Quoting from the Moderator's post in the thread
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And yes, Speaker4thesilent that includes you. While SB allows authors to address politics in their stories, your last chapter was veering into outright soapbox territory, and you were an enthusiastic participant in the derail that followed. If it weren't for how long this took, you would be getting points along with the rest.
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That is what forced the story away from SpaceBattles, not the silly readers.
 
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PeaceMaker 03

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The Unicorn said:
That isn't fair to the readers and giving SB too much credit. While there were a bunch of silly readers who got out of hand, when the SB moderators intervened they made it clear that the content of the chapter was problematical as well, although they were "generous" enough to let it go unless the story was going to have more politics in it. Quoting from the Moderator's post in the thread

That is what forced the story away from SpaceBattles, not the silly readers.
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Soapbox you say?

political conversation in a chapter about how best to set up a new planetary government, how rude. Why next you will say “Rule of law equally no matter who you are is a good thing. For such wrong think you are banished.

Seriously what I read was Speaker flat out saying do not tell me how I must write my story, to the squeaky squeakers that squeak when someone writes a story that fails to meet their worldview.

………”moderators intervened they made it clear that the content of the chapter was problematical as well, although they were "generous" enough to let it go”…….
TRANSLATION: We will overlook your failure to thank the mob that was kicking you for wrong think. Next time we will not have to publicly beat you about the head and face because you will use only politically correct ideas and thoughts on your creative endeavors, that you provide free of charge.
 
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Seras

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I've seen people outside of the thread mention it, and they barely speak on the politcs, the only they they mentioned was how "Christofacist" it was. So yeah I think the religion is what REALLY caused the problem. I didn't see the issue considering how often we have stories from Feudal perspectives all the time. Really it was a nothing burger, and the mods daring to say it was problematic is a serious issue.
 
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Seras

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Knowledgeispower said:
Honestly in the succession wars religion would have made a strong comeback. The whole people need something to Cling to while civilization literally was burning down
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I mean we don't hear too much about it in the books directly mostly because our POV characters are high high nobility.

But we hear about TONS of religions. Cults. Christianity being huge. Space Pope. All sorts of stuff. The fact that your character went into a discussion about setting up a government using Christian underpinnings...

Oh no. How horrible.

But seriously people freaked out about it. I could understand the mods locking the thread, and even saying "Hey lets' cut this shit out." But the moment the mod said you were on a soapbox in the chapter was bullshit.
 
Speaker4thesilent

Speaker4thesilent

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Knowledgeispower said:
On another note I wonder how much the LCAF procurement branch was hitting itself when they figured out that the crossbows and probably the marsdens II tooling was very likely in storage and could have been spun up a long long time ago
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I mean, it would have required a lot of work to turn the Crossbow into something usable. The company explicitly stopped making them rather than modernize the line. Likely cause being that MacEnroe Motors just didn't have the knowhow to get the job done, otherwise why stop making the Mech on the line you've just bought?

So the line is still configured for making Primitive Crossbows rather than a T1 Mech with an SFE and Standard armor. For the early Succession wars, where a lot of knowledge was explicitly lost, that would be a hell of an ask even if someone had remembered that the tooling existed.

Now, they've got half the work already done for them. With the Catachan core, they've got the blueprints and all the development data for the upteched Crossbow, meaning that all they have to do is refurbish the line to produce it. And this is late 3SW. A lot of technology is in the process of recovering. It's still not gonna be an easy process, but it's definitely much more manageable.
 
Knowledgeispower

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Actually....the last couple of Crossbow variants were using what we'd call introtech.
Albeit really did probably need a new targeting system since despite being focused on long range is has the Quirk that makes it less accurate in said range bracket. Still the plant being upgraded/restored is a big deal for the LCAF. Not just for the mechs but for the Marsden II which is a Damm solid and cheap tank for at least PDFs if not more
 
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I can see how it would have been a dead design in canon. way too undersinked for that PPC. I would almost rather have the primitive version over the 6B. the 6C is better but that PPC is still eating all your heatsinking. it feels like both would prefer a large laser instead of the PPC and some extra heatsinks. the catachan model does a lot more for it than the canon upgrade package.

edit: guess you could also change the LRMs to 5s and leave the PPC too. turning that design into something worthwhile with intro tech is hard.
 
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Knowledgeispower

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
i wonder if CMW has the tooling for the Ymir or hell even the mackie in storage. Because if you downrate the engine and use the available tech it could be made into a scary assault. Or just copy the design the catachan mackie has in its case
 
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Speaker4thesilent

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Knowledgeispower said:
i wonder if CMW has the tooling for the Ymir or hell even the mackie in storage. Because if you downrate the engine and use the available tech it could be made into a scary assault. Or just copy the design the catachan mackie has in its case
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I went looking for that answer one time, but didn't find much. I have a feeling that they don't otherwise it wouldn't be Dracs that started making it again after the New Dallas core was found.

I may save it for if I need a plot McGuffin, though.
 
Knowledgeispower

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Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
to be fair the Ymir would be not too hard to put back into production even without the tooling since if its downrated to 3/5 because they already make the 270 and since its basically a knockoff of a mackie aka one of the most simple mechs design wise its probably not that hard of a design to make production wise provided you have the plans. this of course also applies to the mackie
 
Speaker4thesilent

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Knowledgeispower said:
to be fair the Ymir would be not too hard to put back into production even without the tooling since if its downrated to 3/5 because they already make the 270 and since its basically a knockoff of a mackie aka one of the most simple mechs design wise its probably not that hard of a design to make production wise provided you have the plans. this of course also applies to the mackie
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Logistically and theoretically possible, but they'd have to figure out how to put a Chippewa's engine in it. That's the only 270FE that the Lyr Com makes. Dunno if it would be considered worthwhile until after New Dallas. The Ymir has been out of production a long time.
 
Knowledgeispower

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Speaker4thesilent said:
Logistically and theoretically possible, but they'd have to figure out how to put a Chippewa's engine in it. That's the only 270FE that the Lyr Com makes. Dunno if it would be considered worthwhile until after New Dallas. The Ymir has been out of production a long time.
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CMW does make the Phoenix Hawk and that uses a 270.
 
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Knowledgeispower

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Speaker4thesilent said:
Huh, so it does. I’d forgotten that.
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to be fair we all think the lyrans have bad scouts due to the memes but they do make 2 gems for that role in this era namely the commando and Phoneix. Albeit closer to 4/5 in this story what with the wolfhound probably well on the way plus the CAC's stuff
 
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Blasterbot

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Knowledgeispower said:
to be fair we all think the lyrans have bad scouts due to the memes but they do make 2 gems for that role in this era namely the commando and Phoneix. Albeit closer to 4/5 in this era what with the wolfhound probably well on the way plus the CAC's stuff
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Lyrans make some pretty great mech in general. they just suffer from chronic incompetence and have major corruption issues.
 
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Satorious

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There is also the question on if they would divert 270 production away from the Phoenix Hawk. Despite its flaws its a great medium mech and scout hunter
 
Knowledgeispower

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Satorious said:
There is also the question on if they would divert 270 production away from the Phoenix Hawk. Despite its flaws its a great medium mech and scout hunter
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moreso thinking the data from catachan enables increased production of the engines and the Sarissa and Phoneix sort of threaten the market the phoneix hawk was dominating so maybe CMW decides to diversify via bringing back a old design or two
 
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