Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

TheRejectionist said:
That's what you do everytime Marduk as long as something or someone disagree with you.
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Only for leftists and other assorted socialists, sorry.
TheRejectionist said:
While that might be true for anyone, here it shows you say that because it goes against the narrative that Israel thinks about the benefit of West, which is clearly not the case and it is the second time something like this happens.
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No, even i will say that Israel is very nationalistic.
TheRejectionist said:
I don't think there is a shred of evidence that Israel is anything but a liability at best if not a detrimental element at worst. It was understandable to a degree how they reacted the first few days, but now they seem to make their problem Europe's and North America's problem.
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Nah, it's all just an extension of Islam problems and leftism problems.
The implied theory that we discussed, some people thinking that Arab world would be nice neighbors if only Israel didn't exist or the West didn't support it if it did, is pathetically naive.
 
Marduk said:
Only for leftists and other assorted socialists, sorry.
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Marduk said:
Leftists absolutely love using their minority status of any kind as a defense against any criticism for their leftist policies. No reason to single out the Jewish leftists for this, just makes you look "odious" for no gain, the black, native, homo and all other more exotic "protected group" ones do it too.
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This is true. However we weren’t talking about those other protected groups. So no point in bringing them up.

Also, next to ‘muh slavery’ the Holocaust is one of the biggest ‘shut up and do what I want or you’re a -blank- ‘ buttons out there in the west.
 
Marduk said:
The grand irony is that it's the people who will be most willing to take this alienated population are those who absolutely do not like Israel at all, so, yeah, your narrative has just encountered a violent collision with a wall of reality.
Of course it will be the Muslim immigrants and the lefties who whine about apartheid in Palestine, not the Israel supporting neocons and other center-right.
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Nigel Farage slams SNP's Humza Yousaf after calls to take in Gaza migrants

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Humza Yousaf condemns Israel's actions in tearful plea over mother-in-law stuck in Gaza

Scotland's first minister Humza Yousaf has condemned Israel's actions after his mother-in-law made a tearful plea from Gaza, saying "this will be my last video".
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Scotland’s First Minister Humza Yousaf is funding Hamas, yet again

Scotland's First Minister Humza Yousaf, courtesy of the Scottish National Party (SNP), is sending £500,000 ($607,262.50) to Gaza. This money will be used to fund Hamas’ terrorist activities against Israel. I’ve already written about Humza’s sympathies with and ties to Hamas here. In 2015...
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And the leftists in America aren't even hiding where they stand on this:

Berkeley Professor: Hamas and Hezbollah Are ‘Progressive’ and Part of ‘Global Left’

New in PJ Media: The alliance between the international left and Islamic groups has been strong for years, only suffering some strains recently over the left’s insistence on pushing the trans madness and related insanities upon the rest of us. But leftists have generally tended to ally with...
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To Be Anti-Racist is to be Pro-Hamas

And antiracism is antisemitism. It didn’t take long, not just for BLM chapters, but for Ta-Nehisi Coates (who used to argue for slavery reparations from the false example of Holocaust reparations) and now Ibram X. Kendi to make it official that anti-racism means supporting the murder of Jews. Ta...
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On the contrary.

The neo-cons who support Isreal will allow it because ‘muh biblical prophecy’ (which doesn’t exist*) means that we must help Israel secure its territory because otherwise the Ends Times won’t happen…somehow. And it shows that America should still be taken seriously and wipe away the stench of failure from our last wars in the Middle East. Which gets supper from Israel because they won’t have to deal with Hamas and because they get more land.

The Left will allow it became ‘we must provide refuge for the victims of Israel’s ethnic cleansing/ genocide’ and because of ‘muh diversity’ with a side order of ‘white people are evil and must be reduced’. Also because they think these people will revert to blank slates the moment the move to the Europe/America will want to integrate and adopt the local customs- which they won’t given everything we’ve seen from previous instances. That’s not to say that the Left won’t try to stop Israel from removing Palestinians from Gaza, it’s just that they are unlikely to succeed.

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DarthOne said:
On the contrary.

The neo-cons who support Isreal will allow it because ‘muh biblical prophecy’ (which doesn’t exist*) means that we must help Israel secure its territory because otherwise the Ends Times won’t happen…somehow. And it shows that America should still be taken seriously and wipe away the stench of failure from our last wars in the Middle East. Which gets supper from Israel because they won’t have to deal with Hamas and because they get more land.
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That makes no fucking sense. Neo-cons support Israel, but in light of that they certainly don't want its most fanatical enemies to be their own neighbors, they consider them dangerous barbarians FFS.
DarthOne said:
The Left will allow it became ‘we must provide refuge for the victims of Israel’s ethnic cleansing/ genocide’ and because of ‘muh diversity’ with a side order of ‘white people are evil and must be reduced’. Also because they think these people will revert to blank slates the moment the move to the Europe/America will want to integrate and adopt the local customs- which they won’t given everything we’ve seen from previous instances. That’s not to say that the Left won’t try to stop Israel from removing Palestinians from Gaza, it’s just that they are unlikely to succeed.

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Well, yeah, and the left does that because it considers Israel a right wing apartheid oppressor, so they are helping oppressed people who are totally harmless and only an islamophobic deplorable would not want them to be his neighbors.
 
Marduk said:
That makes no fucking sense. Neo-cons support Israel, but in light of that they certainly don't want its most fanatical enemies to be their own neighbors, they consider them dangerous barbarians FFS.
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Their neighbors? Ha! Our politicians live in gated communities and have their own security. Most of them don’t even think that they can be touched by things the rest of us have to deal with.

Most of the boomers who support them are much of the same, or are out of touch, or are just stupid. Not to mention heretics because of dispensation ideology which most of them would have grown up with.
 
*THASF* said:
He can:
  1. Call for a ceasefire and prisoner exchange with Hamas, and potentially retain power, but still have massive internal and external problems to deal with.
  2. Continue bombing Gaza into dust, kill the hostages with collateral damage, and then be ousted and replaced with some Ehud Barak stooge.
Neither option is good. #1 leaves him looking weak. #2 digs him deeper into a hole and puts Israel's fate in the hands of complete psychos.
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Wouldn’t the correct option the. Be for Bibi to do what keeps him in power then instantly use the IDF to purge the Mossad?
 
King Arts said:
Wouldn’t the correct option the. Be for Bibi to do what keeps him in power then instantly use the IDF to purge the Mossad?
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Well, one can hope. Basically all intelligence agencies on this planet are rogue entities that don't serve the interests of their host nations, from the CIA, to MI6, all of them need to go. They commit heinous felonies on such a regular basis, it's not even funny.




1) Most of the operations of the CS are, by all accounts, the
most tricky, politically sensitive, and troublesome of those in the
IC and frequently require the DCI's close personal attention. The
CS is the only part of the IC, indeed of the government, where
hundreds of employees on a daily basis are directed to break
extremely serious laws in counties around the world in the face of
frequently sophisticated efforts by foreign governments to catch
them. A safe estimate is that several hundred times every day
(easily 100,000 times a year) DO officers engage in highly illegal
activities (according to foreign law) that not only risk political
embarrassment to the US but also endanger the freedom if not lives
of the participating foreign nationals and, more than occasionally,
of the clandestine officer himself. In other words, a typical 28
year old, GS-11 case officer has numerous opportunities every week,
by poor tradecraft or inattention, to embarrass his country and
President and to get agents imprisoned or executed. Considering
these facts and recent history, which has shown that the DCI,
whether he wants to or not, is held accountable for overseeing the
CS, the DCI must work closely with the Director of the CS and hold
him fully and directly responsible to him.
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Marduk said:
In that context "rapid" meant pre-planned operation that took days to prepare. Yeah, Israeli military can get a whole lot more done in few days of preparation than less than hour.
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I wasn't trying to say 6 days war did not take prep time.
I was explaining to you why israel considers it so important to always have prepared to launch airforce. As a rapid launch can make or break a war.
Air superiority is king.
Marduk said:
Let's say you are flying an Apache.
How do you know who is in a building when considering whether to fire a Hellfire or a salvo of 70mm rockets at it?
Hamas doesn't even wear military clothing a lot of the time.
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You blow up the convoy of pickup trucks and force them to hide in the buildings until they are cleared out by ground forces.
 
mrttao said:
I wasn't trying to say 6 days war did not take prep time.
I was explaining to you why israel considers it so important to always have prepared to launch airforce. As a rapid launch can make or break a war.
Air superiority is king.
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There are different kinds of rapid. One kind is mobilizing most of the airforce in 48h or 72h...
And a whole another kind is what can you get into the air in 1h or less on a holiday in peacetime.
mrttao said:
You blow up the convoy of pickup trucks and force them to hide in the buildings until they are cleared out by ground forces.
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I have fucking explained to you. Crossing over from Gaza takes mere minutes at the speed of a speeding truck. We even have footage of helicopters attacking some... but even Israeli helicopters are not capable of bilocation, teleportation and infinite ammo cheats.
Once the infiltrators got to Israeli settlements, they went on foot building to building, some even used stolen civilian cars.
 
*THASF* said:
The current war in Gaza is a setup by Mossad to oust Netanyahu because the Likud party was gaining too much power over Israel's government. There, I said it.
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Oh of course, I guess believing it was actually a legitimate attack by Hamas funded by Iran who's made no bones about it's plans for the region and elsewhere is just too hard to swallow then.


*THASF* said:
Doubtful. I am very certain that Hamas actually did cross the border, and they did commit atrocities against the local civilian population. Because they were allowed to. And, yes, if a ceasefire was called, there would still be a significant security issue.

Who do you think Hamas are?

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Uh, Hamas IS a terrorist group funded as a proxy group by Iran, it's kind of an open secret.....but apparently, some random guy on Rumble says otherwise.


*THASF* said:
That's not the entirety of the argument.

First off, how did Mossad or the Shin Bet not catch Hamas in the planning phase, noting movements of troops and materiel? Why weren't signs of an attack picked up weeks or months in advance? Keep in mind, this is the same Shin Bet that can keep track of one guy with a Coronavirus infection, but apparently can't see a massive attack like this being readied.

Secondly, Israel's border security is so sophisticated that they can pick up a pigeon crossing the border, so forgive me if I'm a little skeptical that they didn't notice the fleet of paragliders and pickup trucks cruising into town.

Third, once the attack started, why did it take longer than fifteen minutes for QRFs to respond? Why were Hamas allowed to rampage through neighborhoods killing and kidnapping people for literally hours and hours? I've seen the footage and the photos, and I swear to god, what few IDF were on the scene were literally caught by Hamas in their underwear. How does that happen?

Furthermore, if Denis Rancourt's numbers are correct, and the COVID-19 vaccines are actually killing 1 person in every 800 shots, then I calculate that they've killed 15,000 Israelis so far. Ten times as many as Hamas. Where is the outrage over that? Where is the outrage over Israelis being practically used as guinea pigs?

Before the Hamas attack, progress was being made on unraveling the global COVID-19 crime and getting at the perpetrators responsible. Now, people have split along predictable partisan lines.

I don't think you folks quite understand. We are dealing with a ruthless death cult that will stoop to literally anything.
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Wow, somehow, you managed to ink your Covid conspiracies into this subject. I'm sure you have evidence for these 15,000 Israelis killed by Coronavirus vaccines?

And if you're referring to the ruthless death cult known as Hamas....yes, they've more or less burnished those credentials now, we all know that. If not? Then keep your Covid obsession to the relevant Covid thread.
 
Tiamat said:
Wow, somehow, you managed to ink your Covid conspiracies into this subject. I'm sure you have evidence for these 15,000 Israelis killed by Coronavirus vaccines?
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Yes. In fact, I underestimated it. My old estimate was based on obsolete data. Going by Denis Rancourt and company's estimates, (1 death per 800 shots), then with the 18.64 million doses administered in Israel as of May of this year, there have been 23,000 deaths so far. We can see the all-cause mortality rate increasing as a result of the vaccination campaign.

Tiamat said:
And if you're referring to the ruthless death cult known as Hamas....yes, they've more or less burnished those credentials now, we all know that. If not? Then keep your Covid obsession to the relevant Covid thread.
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You don't understand my point. If the clandestine services in Israel were willing to murder 23,000+ innocent Israelis by lethal injection, then what makes you think they wouldn't stand idly by as Hamas rampaged through a neighborhood?

We are dealing with a death cult that is global in scope, which is willing to instigate proxy wars and drag us kicking and screaming into them. When World War III starts, nobody should go, period. They should practice mass civil disobedience and simply refuse, even if it means imprisonment.

Imagine the rich, psychopathic sons of bitches behind all of this, sipping their wine and eating their veal, while the poor are made to shoot and bomb each other. They must find it amusing, like entertainment. But I suppose that's always been true of war.



 
*THASF* said:
Yes. In fact, I underestimated it. My old estimate was based on obsolete data. Going by Denis Rancourt and company's estimates, (1 death per 800 shots), then with the 18.64 million doses administered in Israel as of May of this year, there have been 23,000 deaths so far. We can see the all-cause mortality rate increasing as a result of the vaccination campaign.


You don't understand my point. If the clandestine services in Israel were willing to murder 23,000+ innocent Israelis by lethal injection, then what makes you think they wouldn't stand idly by as Hamas rampaged through a neighborhood?

We are dealing with a death cult that is global in scope, which is willing to instigate proxy wars and drag us kicking and screaming into them. When World War III starts, nobody should go, period. They should practice mass civil disobedience and simply refuse, even if it means imprisonment.

Imagine the rich, psychopathic sons of bitches behind all of this, sipping their wine and eating their veal, while the poor are made to shoot and bomb each other. They must find it amusing, like entertainment. But I suppose that's always been true of war.



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This sort of thing, trying to push the Wu Flu and the vax stuff around it, belongs in it's own thread.

And Hamas were genocidal fuckheads long before Fauci and friends decided to play fuckfuck games with our nation and genome.

You only hurt the actual, credible stuff related to the Wu Flu and it's vax, by trying to shoehorn the issue in to this, just to attempt to spin a conspiracy web against Netanyahu.
 
Bacle said:
This sort of thing, trying to push the Wu Flu and the vax stuff around it, belongs in it's own thread.

And Hamas were genocidal fuckheads long before Fauci and friends decided to play fuckfuck games with our nation and genome.

You only hurt the actual, credible stuff related to the Wu Flu and it's vax, by trying to shoehorn the issue in to this, just to attempt to spin a conspiracy web against Netanyahu.
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Did you even read what I was saying? Netanyahu was the target. He doesn't even realize what is going on.
 
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*THASF* said:
Did you even read what I was saying? Netanyahu was the target. The victim, in a sense. He doesn't even realize what is going on.
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Yes, that is what I meant by 'against Netanyahu'; you are claiming that the Mossad is trying to remove him by letting Oct 7th happen, thus the conspiracy you claim is going is directed at Netanyahu.
 
Bacle said:
Yes, that is what I meant by 'against Netanyahu'; you are claiming that the Mossad is trying to remove him by letting Oct 7th happen, thus the conspiracy you claim is going is directed at Netanyahu.
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Oh, I misread what you were trying to say. You wrote "a conspiracy web against Netanyahu". What I heard was "a conspiracy web AGAINST NETANYAHU", what you meant was "A CONSPIRACY WEB against Netanyahu". I parse ambiguous sentences like that a little differently from most people.
 
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