Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

You can not realibaly take out the bad parties without making it easy to be abused should the bad parties take power...

As someone who went through said training.
It was fucking useless for what it was on about.
It literally didn't end up with anything worthwhile besides the whole thing of "See something, Say something".
That was it.

Out of everyone here besides one other person on this forum, no one has gone through the same stand down day.
But hey, THEY GUY WHO HAS BEEN IN 5 YEARS, doesn't know what can and can't be done or the UCMJ, or what rhe stand down meant
The bad parties are already in power and have thrown out the rulebook, that's the huge problem. They have demonstrated time & again (not just within the military) that their only rule is thus: for their friends & fellow travelers, everything; for their enemies, the law.

To be blunt, I distinctly recall you describing American soldiers as outright federal property and base commanders as being able to disregard the law on military bases if they see fit some time ago (it was a debate on here over abortion and Austin's commitment to having military hospitals carry out abortions even if the state they're in outlaws it post-Roe repeal, IIRC). So you'll have to forgive me if I can't quite believe your take is wholly objective here, and that your present position on the apparent inviolability of the rights of far-left extremists within the military seems more than a little incongruent with the position you've expressed previously.
 
The bad parties are already in power and have thrown out the rulebook, that's the huge problem. They have demonstrated time & again (not just within the military) that their only rule is thus: for their friends & fellow travelers, everything; for their enemies, the law.
Enlisted will be punished for what ever is punishable by UCMJ.
Officers are the issue with the military.
To be blunt, I distinctly recall you describing American soldiers as outright federal property and base commanders as being able to disregard the law on military bases if they see fit some time ago (it was a debate on here over abortion and Austin's commitment to having military hospitals carry out abortions even if the state they're in outlaws it post-Roe repeal, IIRC). So you'll have to forgive me if I can't quite believe your take is wholly objective here, and that your present position on the apparent inviolability of the rights of far-left extremists within the military seems more than a little incongruent with the position you've expressed previously.
Bases are federal property.
And yes soldiers are federal property, but they still can only do so much.

Like I said.
Read what the UCMJ has and what the military is allowed to do to us.
It is not as bad as it seems
 
Enlisted will be punished for what ever is punishable by UCMJ.
Officers are the issue with the military.

Bases are federal property.
And yes soldiers are federal property, but they still can only do so much.

Like I said.
Read what the UCMJ has and what the military is allowed to do to us.
It is not as bad as it seems
Uh, I don't know if the word and the context have different connotations in the state you're from (was it Georgia, IIRC?) but generally when any group of people is described as 'property' (whether of another individual or the state), it means they're chattel. Which is to say, slaves (or at best indentured servants, who are realistically just a sub-category of slave anyway, as the Irish in the West Indies can attest). As in, the social-legal category which the US military itself fought and sustained hundreds of thousands of casualties to abolish in the mid-19th century.

Frankly if you are accurate in describing American military personnel as 'federal property', that would axiomatically imply that as slaves of the state they have no actual rights for the duration of their contract, only certain privileges bestowed upon them by their master (who can of course revoke said privileges at will), certainly including the UCMJ. If that were actually the case then the question of how to get rid of far-left rot in the ranks suddenly becomes a lot simpler to answer - a sufficiently hardline SecDef & generals can just write up a list of anyone they think is a commie and have them shot, no question asked and no trial needed. Looking through their Internet history would basically be an optional afterthought, and very far indeed from the worst that can be done to them in that case.

As an aside, Bushnell's rank at the time of his death was apparently a senior airman (E-4). So he, at least, would have been an issue on the enlisted level (before he took himself out).
 
I don't think even the Italian Army is that strict and I don't think we would call them property.

Continue with the subject of the thread.

There's a been an update on a case from the NYT :



These specific rapes mentioned by said "outed" author are seemingly made out of thin air just like the campus rape stories in the US or Amber Heard against Johnny Depp. Turns out she an actuall professional propagandist.

However as Styxhammer666 mentioned in his video :



None of the armies are moral and we cannot believe any sides that said war crimes DIDN'T happen at all.
 
Uh, I don't know if the word and the context have different connotations in the state you're from (was it Georgia, IIRC?) but generally when any group of people is described as 'property' (whether of another individual or the state), it means they're chattel. Which is to say, slaves (or at best indentured servants, who are realistically just a sub-category of slave anyway, as the Irish in the West Indies can attest). As in, the social-legal category which the US military itself fought and sustained hundreds of thousands of casualties to abolish in the mid-19th century.

Frankly if you are accurate in describing American military personnel as 'federal property', that would axiomatically imply that as slaves of the state they have no actual rights for the duration of their contract, only certain privileges bestowed upon them by their master (who can of course revoke said privileges at will), certainly including the UCMJ. If that were actually the case then the question of how to get rid of far-left rot in the ranks suddenly becomes a lot simpler to answer - a sufficiently hardline SecDef & generals can just write up a list of anyone they think is a commie and have them shot, no question asked and no trial needed. Looking through their Internet history would basically be an optional afterthought, and very far indeed from the worst that can be done to them in that case.

As an aside, Bushnell's rank at the time of his death was apparently a senior airman (E-4). So he, at least, would have been an issue on the enlisted level (before he took himself out).
Soldiers are federal property. So you could argue they are slaves in a sense and many of the things that are rights to us are privileges to them and could be reduced. But not to the extent you think. See you don’t have control over your property. At the end of the day it’s not yours the right comes from the government.

For example your pet dog is your chattel property. But you can’t just beat or kill it for no reason.
 
Soldiers are federal property. So you could argue they are slaves in a sense and many of the things that are rights to us are privileges to them and could be reduced. But not to the extent you think. See you don’t have control over your property. At the end of the day it’s not yours the right comes from the government.

For example your pet dog is your chattel property. But you can’t just beat or kill it for no reason.
Aside from obviously not being human, dogs are pets, not slaves. Slaves and pets are not necessarily the same category (and thank Christ for that, because the idea of the US military being pets of the people running the country and not merely their slaves sounds like the fantasy of some deranged anarcho-Communist gooner). Also, in the case we are discussing - that of whether or not soldiers are federal property - they aren't 'my' property or the property of any single individual, but the (federal) government directly. So I don't think individual property rights and the question of where they come from are particularly relevant in that scenario, especially if your answer to the latter is 'the government'.

Anyway, ordinarily I would define modern US military personnel as voluntary citizen-soldiers and employees of the state, rather than property and therefore slaves (unlike, arguably, conscripts for example). But sure, let's roll with this definition of the US serviceman as chattel owned by the federal government, at least for the duration of his contract (which would make him an indentured servant, IOW, a sub-category of slave as I have said). I can buy that in light of Biden's government forcing the COVID vaccine on the entire US military and giving the boot to anyone who won't take it.

I would argue that forced vaccination is a far more severe breach of the individual soldier's rights & personal autonomy than looking up their search history could ever be, considering that not only does it cross into the physical realm but the vaxx is by now well documented as causing all sorts of adverse effects (up to death or being crippled for life) even in otherwise young & fit individuals for dubious benefit, as even fully-vaxxed soldiers have been reported to die of the coof anyway. Yes it might be epically embarrassing if you get dishonorably discharged because your superior officer found out you were posting online about how much you hate America, want it to be destroyed, and spit on the graves of other soldiers who died recently in-between jacking off to horse/loli gangbang hentai or whatever nightmare gets the pornsick brains of Burning Bushnell and his ilk's going, but at least you won't die or be paralyzed for the rest of your life. Can't say the same about the vaxx.

Suffice to say that any argument that the former is OK while the latter is somehow too egregious a violation of the average soldier's rights to be countenanced, is one that I can't take seriously and which at my most charitable I'd view as one of hilariously misguided & skewed priorities - the equivalent to treating murder as a misdemeanor and catcalling as a high crime worthy of the death penalty. Hell you could just as easily make an argument to justify the latter on the same health grounds as the former (if not even more-so), just one of mental health rather than physical. After all, a guy who posts as obsessively about how much he hates himself, his supposed comrades-in-arms, the Constitution and the very ground he walks on as Bushnell did, most probably has a few screws loose. And perhaps he'd still be alive and no threat to said comrades (or anyone else) if he were kicked out of the force and directed to the treatment he clearly was in dire need of, etc., etc.
 
Aside from obviously not being human, dogs are pets, not slaves. Slaves and pets are not necessarily the same category (and thank Christ for that, because the idea of the US military being pets of the people running the country and not merely their slaves sounds like the fantasy of some deranged anarcho-Communist gooner). Also, in the case we are discussing - that of whether or not soldiers are federal property - they aren't 'my' property or the property of any single individual, but the (federal) government directly. So I don't think individual property rights and the question of where they come from are particularly relevant in that scenario, especially if your answer to the latter is 'the government'.
Yes but they are chattel property they can be sold, bought, etc. You may think your dog or cat is family but the law disagrees. They are property. They are property with protections.

Also the government also has limits on itself, it can't break it's own laws in regards to animal cruelty for instance. So it still applies.

Anyway, ordinarily I would define modern US military personnel as voluntary citizen-soldiers and employees of the state, rather than property and therefore slaves (unlike, arguably, conscripts for example). But sure, let's roll with this definition of the US serviceman as chattel owned by the federal government, at least for the duration of his contract (which would make him an indentured servant, IOW, a sub-category of slave as I have said). I can buy that in light of Biden's government forcing the COVID vaccine on the entire US military and giving the boot to anyone who won't take it.
Sure modern military are indentured servants since they agreed as opposed to conscripts who were forced. They lose alot of the rights other citizens have like the 1st ammendment you or I can insult anyone we want. Soldiers can't insult their superiors.

I would argue that forced vaccination is a far more severe breach of the individual soldier's rights & personal autonomy than looking up their search history could ever be, considering that not only does it cross into the physical realm but the vaxx is by now well documented as causing all sorts of adverse effects (up to death or being crippled for life) even in otherwise young & fit individuals for dubious benefit, as even fully-vaxxed soldiers have been reported to die of the coof anyway. Yes it might be epically embarrassing if you get dishonorably discharged because your superior officer found out you were posting online about how much you hate America, want it to be destroyed, and spit on the graves of other soldiers who died recently in-between jacking off to horse/loli gangbang hentai or whatever nightmare gets the pornsick brains of Burning Bushnell and his ilk's going, but at least you won't die or be paralyzed for the rest of your life. Can't say the same about the vaxx.
lol is that the vaush thing lol.
But yeah I think the reason Zach is kinda against what you are advocating is for two reasons first right now the left is in charge so if saying politically controversal things is going to be policed conservatives will get it more often.

Second reason he might want to post here in peace without having to justify what's going on here. Other soldiers might also like to shitpost on other sites.

Suffice to say that any argument that the former is OK while the latter is somehow too egregious a violation of the average soldier's rights to be countenanced, is one that I can't take seriously and which at my most charitable I'd view as one of hilariously misguided & skewed priorities - the equivalent to treating murder as a misdemeanor and catcalling as a high crime worthy of the death penalty. Hell you could just as easily make an argument to justify the latter on the same health grounds as the former (if not even more-so), just one of mental health rather than physical. After all, a guy who posts as obsessively about how much he hates himself, his supposed comrades-in-arms, the Constitution and the very ground he walks on as Bushnell did, most probably has a few screws loose. And perhaps he'd still be alive and no threat to said comrades (or anyone else) if he were kicked out of the force and directed to the treatment he clearly was in dire need of, etc., etc.
Yeah this guy was a crazy Antifa guy. I still generally don't think soldiers should lose their rights/privleges in their case unless it's absolutely necessary. So as long as they aren't in uniform or on the job they should have leeway to do whatever as long as it's not illegal.

Thank You. ❤️

We might not be soldiers but we serve in our own way.
Don't worry Husky your a good boy.
*headpat*
 
I don't think even the Italian Army is that strict and I don't think we would call them property.

Continue with the subject of the thread.

There's a been an update on a case from the NYT :



These specific rapes mentioned by said "outed" author are seemingly made out of thin air just like the campus rape stories in the US or Amber Heard against Johnny Depp. Turns out she an actuall professional propagandist.

However as Styxhammer666 mentioned in his video :



None of the armies are moral and we cannot believe any sides that said war crimes DIDN'T happen at all.

can we have a TLDW summary?
 
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Okay so one specific instance of it was wrong...
Yet the what...dozens to hundreds of other ones?
 
Okay so one specific instance of it was wrong...
Yet the what...dozens to hundreds of other ones?
While Hamas committed atrocities with relish on that day, many of the most outrageous ones have been shown to be fabrications by Israeli propagandists, including the forty beheaded babies, babies in ovens, babies purposely cut out of mothers, and the NYT story (says the video).
 
While Hamas committed atrocities with relish on that day, many of the most outrageous ones have been shown to be fabrications by Israeli propagandists, including the forty beheaded babies, babies in ovens, babies purposely cut out of mothers, and the NYT story (says the video).
......I am pretty sure some of those were found out to be true after being called false.
This info war has been harder then that of Ukraine and Russia.

Okay, after doing some research, 5 dead babies confirmed seen on photo. 2 burned, 1 was shoved in an oven, 1 shot in the head in its crib and 1 decapitated amd burned.
No, i will not post the evidence of these here...
 
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fucking UN is a terrorist organization. has been for decades. And we are paying for it with our taxes
From the beginning.They made soviets one of major members,when they still genocided averagely 1M of their own peope per year.
 


Don't help them.

The Palastinains were helped by the Jordaians and they knifed them in the back, they were helped by the Egyptians and they were knifed in the back. They were helped by the Kutaties and they knifed them in the back, and what they did to Lebonon was fucking horrific. This is a group of people who firmly deserve every bit of suffering they get.
 

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