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Marduk

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Russia - 99% of the time, occasionally China and occasionally Iran, and you always support the same shallow, grifting idiot neocucks that brought about 20 years of failed regime change nonsense, messed up the middle east further, and saddled us with more migrants while giving the enemy ideological ammo and giving big guvs all over Europe reasons to grow larger and more bloated.
Ok, whatever, i get we disagree on politics, spouting lefty hot takes about grifting neocons doesn't change the fact that Russia, China, Iran etc are hostile powers to our countries and/or allies, no one can deny that, unless you are a lazy supporter of interests of those powers.
The linking of proxy wars with them to blame for the migrant crisis is a well loved and equally retarded prog left talking point, so good job digging yourself a deeper hole to sit in.

Fuck Iran, fuck Russia, fuck China, i will stand by that, i will stand by that even if neocons cease to exist and get Thanos-snapped out of everyone's memory.
If you want to simp for them for whatever reason, hopefully less clownish than "but US neocons bad", at least be open and honest that this is what you're doing.
You also believe is pretty silly variations on the domino theory.

All because you are trying to suck up to the US because you basically need somebody big to act as your club and meat shield in your little conflict with Russia.
OMG Poles do diplomacy and get allies for own benefit rather than supporting euroasianist fantasies, don't they know that's not allowed?
You are also the guy that started all this shit by insulting me repeatedly.
LMAO. You know your style of writing, so does everyone else, you throw insults left and right as a custom, don't whine that you can't take what you dish out.
 

Agent23

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Ok, whatever, i get we disagree on politics, spouting lefty hot takes
Pfft, I am more of a realpolitik supporter internationally with moderately libertarian and ethno-nationalist and utilitarian views.

Huntington and Kissinger and Hobbes are a fsr cry from Trotski.

So are Heinlein and Moldbug and AA.
about grifting neocons doesn't change the fact that Russia, China, Iran etc are hostile powers to our countries and/or allies, no one can deny that, unless you are a lazy supporter of interests of those powers.
Standard boogieman searching from some of the more bellicose parts of the right.
I can not say I actually like those countries aside from Russia.

Yes, many aspects of their regimes suck, but guess what, them fighting a was with Muh West is something they use for propaganda purposes and some of our so called allies are just as bad. Like the Saudis and other loonie rooms gulf islamists.

China as the big boogie man?

Hardly, they spend a hell of a lot on internal security and internal propaganda than they do on external stuff and their military.

They certainly don't have much of a desire to spread muh communism globally, their population is graying fast and they have the mother of all demographic and malinvestment crisies.

The commie party is basically the latest in a long line of highly bureaucratized dynasties that pays lots of lip service to their alleged ideology.

They are also afraid of having their legitimacy challenged, and Taiwan is a potential challenge.

Furthermore, the west has done it's fair share of interference in the sovereign affairs of multiple countries, so, if you live on a glass house you should not be throwing stones and that has been going on for centuries and still continues.
The linking of proxy wars with them to blame for the migrant crisis is a well loved and equally retarded prog left talking point, so good job digging yourself a deeper hole to sit in.
https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...dafi-libya-has-gone-transit-route-containment

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Fuck Iran, fuck Russia, fuck China, i will stand by that, i will stand by that even if neocons cease to exist and get Thanos-snapped out of everyone's memory.
If you want to simp for them for whatever reason, hopefully less clownish than "but US neocons bad", at least be open and honest that this is what you're doing.
Neocons are a bunch of grifting Trotskyists and other assorted flotsom from all over eastern Europe that ended in the USA, they are either pushing some form of liberal hegemony, which is just as dumb as global communism, or grinding some old family axe, like a certain Mr. Brezinski and a certain Mrs. Nuland, all the whole leeching money from the MIC.
OMG Poles do diplomacy and get allies for own benefit rather than supporting euroasianist fantasies, don't they know that's not allowed?
You are poking the bear obsessively, it will poke back, and your friends decide if is not worth it to help you if your excessive bellicosity brought it about and/or damaged their interests.

For the record, I do not want any form of involuntary Pan-Slavism or Eurasianism that includes you.
You are not orthodox, you despise the superior Slavic alphabet, you have never had any cultural influence from Byzantium.

To me Poles do not fit in the east at all, Russia was on the wrong to try and make you be more like it culturally and the partition was not something one Slavic country should do to another.
However, the partition was all absolute monarch level 18 century power politics, and the person that was responsible for it wasn't even Russian but German.

The USSR was also a disaster, but Putin is neither Catherine nor Stalin, and the power balance is far less favorable.
LMAO. You know your style of writing, so does everyone else, you throw insults left and right as a custom, don't whine that you can't take what you dish out.
You called me a communist first!

Now, I will admit, our shitty relationship was in part my doing, bit that does not mean you didn't provide your share of nasty provocations and that you don't have an awful debating style, and ther eis thst need of yours to always get the last word in and to browbeat the opposition.

I'd be happy to bury the hatchet and stay away you if you do likewise.
 

King Arts

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Pfft, I am more of a realpolitik supporter internationally with moderately libertarian and ethno-nationalist and utilitarian views.

Huntington and Kissinger and Hobbes are a fsr cry from Trotski.

So are Heinlein and Moldbug and AA.

Standard boogieman searching from some of the more bellicose parts of the right.
I can not say I actually like those countries aside from Russia.

Yes, many aspects of their regimes suck, but guess what, them fighting a was with Muh West is something they use for propaganda purposes and some of our so called allies are just as bad. Like the Saudis and other loonie rooms gulf islamists.

China as the big boogie man?

Hardly, they spend a hell of a lot on internal security and internal propaganda than they do on external stuff and their military.

They certainly don't have much of a desire to spread muh communism globally, their population is graying fast and they have the mother of all demographic and malinvestment crisies.

The commie party is basically the latest in a long line of highly bureaucratized dynasties that pays lots of lip service to their alleged ideology.

They are also afraid of having their legitimacy challenged, and Taiwan is a potential challenge.

Furthermore, the west has done it's fair share of interference in the sovereign affairs of multiple countries, so, if you live on a glass house you should not be throwing stones and that has been going on for centuries and still continues.

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/art...dafi-libya-has-gone-transit-route-containment

_101048599_chart_top10_origins_of_asylum_seekers_2015-nc.png



Neocons are a bunch of grifting Trotskyists and other assorted flotsom from all over eastern Europe that ended in the USA, they are either pushing some form of liberal hegemony, which is just as dumb as global communism, or grinding some old family axe, like a certain Mr. Brezinski and a certain Mrs. Nuland, all the whole leeching money from the MIC.

You are poking the bear obsessively, it will poke back, and your friends decide if is not worth it to help you if your excessive bellicosity brought it about and/or damaged their interests.

For the record, I do not want any form of involuntary Pan-Slavism or Eurasianism that includes you.
You are not orthodox, you despise the superior Slavic alphabet, you have never had any cultural influence from Byzantium.

To me Poles do not fit in the east at all, Russia was on the wrong to try and make you be more like it culturally and the partition was not something one Slavic country should do to another.
However, the partition was all absolute monarch level 18 century power politics, and the person that was responsible for it wasn't even Russian but German.

The USSR was also a disaster, but Putin is neither Catherine nor Stalin, and the power balance is far less favorable.

You called me a communist first!

Now, I will admit, our shitty relationship was in part my doing, bit that does not mean you didn't provide your share of nasty provocations and that you don't have an awful debating style, and ther eis thst need of yours to always get the last word in and to browbeat the opposition.

I'd be happy to bury the hatchet and stay away you if you do likewise.
Hey now you may be right that Orthodox is the superior religion, and Byzantine influence is great. But the Slavic alphabet is shit compared to Latin. Very little different from Arabic
 

Agent23

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Hey now you may be right that Orthodox is the superior religion, and Byzantine influence is great. But the Slavic alphabet is shit compared to Latin. Very little different from Arabic
For Slavic languages it is perfect.

Also, you have just insulted my nation's greatest achievement.

Go fuck ur mum, kurva. :ROFLMAO:
 

Marduk

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Pfft, I am more of a realpolitik supporter internationally with moderately libertarian and ethno-nationalist and utilitarian views.

Huntington and Kissinger and Hobbes are a fsr cry from Trotski.

So are Heinlein and Moldbug and AA.
Ah, so basically a little of everything to cover whatever you feel like arguing at the moment.
Standard boogieman searching from some of the more bellicose parts of the right.
I can not say I actually like those countries aside from Russia.

Yes, many aspects of their regimes suck, but guess what, them fighting a was with Muh West is something they use for propaganda purposes and some of our so called allies are just as bad. Like the Saudis and other loonie rooms gulf islamists.
Only retards would base their foreign policy on what the countries they don't like can possibly use for propaganda purposes and then not doing any of that (answer: they will use absolutely anything, and if they struggle, they will make something up, it's not like their serfs will know any better).
As far as whining about some allies and frenemies (more frenemies tbh) goes (also domain of certain political factions more than others), the saying goes, don't ask if they are bastards, ask if they are our bastards.
China as the big boogie man?

Hardly, they spend a hell of a lot on internal security and internal propaganda than they do on external stuff and their military.

They certainly don't have much of a desire to spread muh communism globally, their population is graying fast and they have the mother of all demographic and malinvestment crisies.

The commie party is basically the latest in a long line of highly bureaucratized dynasties that pays lots of lip service to their alleged ideology.

They are also afraid of having their legitimacy challenged, and Taiwan is a potential challenge.
Hey, there was another kind of socialist that was not interested in spreading his brand of socialism globally, yet he ended up being a huge pain in the ass to half the continent too.
As any socialists he also was a big fan of voodoo economics and bureaucracy.
Ideology or not, China has very clear ambitions of playing superpower, and it will do it for the satisfaction and benefit of CCP leadership, at the expense of everyone else it can get an upper hand over.

Besides the issue of Taiwan itself, once that's resolved in a way positive to them, on a high of victory in particular there's no way they will leave the rest of the region alone, including major western economic partners (in light of the topic, possibly soon not just major, but absolutely crucial) like Japan and South Korea, nevermind weaker, easier to swallow fish like Philippines and the rest of SEA states.
Furthermore, the west has done it's fair share of interference in the sovereign affairs of multiple countries, so, if you live on a glass house you should not be throwing stones and that has been going on for centuries and still continues.
Crimea river. States "interfere in the affairs of multiple states" since... well hard to say, certainly for as long as states and diplomacy between them exist. Either way, it started somewhere in the
ancient history, not centuries but millennia ago, and everyone and their dog does that since then, and probably will be for as long as such a thing as states exists.
Trying to make an argument on that basis is an insult to someone's intelligence, either your own if you believe it, or mine if you hoped i'll take it as a serious argument.
Great job falling for bureaucrat bullshit and lefty propaganda.
Fun fact, Syria is a third world shithole, doesn't have fancy biometric passports, and euroliberals aren't going to trust the government's word (and for good reasons), so, forgery hooray!
Any third worlder who speaks Arabic- even if bad Arabic, average EU bureaucrat won't know nor care, and remember many Muslims learn some Arabic just for religious purposes, has 250 bucks and can memorize a sob story (there are whole internet forums to help) could have become a Syrian "good enough for bureaucratic purposes " - and since euroliberals made it clear that Syrians as opposed to random third worlders get near perfect chances of successful asylum claim, there's a motivation for them to study. That is if the bureaucrat even care to make the basic checks, some more "no borders, no nations, no deportations" chanting bureaucrats will even handwave through Bengali Syrians who don't speak a word of Arabic and Somali Syrians with suspiciously dark skin (don't be racist!). Even the liberal guardianistas and merkelites realized it in 2015, yet you are 9 years behind them, because it serves your pet peeve of shitting on neocons if nothing else.
For comparison, something less rife with application scammery, based on stated origin on arrival, rather than legalese in asylum application, and after the forgery and Syria virtue signalling got a bit curtailed:
pbn04062018-7b.jpg

pbn04062018-7c.jpg

So with Italy being the top boat people country for EU in these 2 years, Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria don't even manage to get into the top of the list, it's all Subsaharan Africa, Arabs who don't even have wars, and special honors for Bangladesh and Pakistan, that's fucking far away and no excuse.

Basically any shithole country that western leaders will declare that its citizens will get free western bleeding heart welcome is bound to see a huge rise in asylum seekers, some with real some with fake origin there, with all sorts of more and less credible sob stories for why they deserve a free migration pass with side benefits worth a 5-6 digit USD sum, no "muh western intervention" needed.
20150502_wom129.png

Why such huge smuggler network for muh western intervention countries?

Neocons are a bunch of grifting Trotskyists and other assorted flotsom from all over eastern Europe that ended in the USA, they are either pushing some form of liberal hegemony, which is just as dumb as global communism, or grinding some old family axe, like a certain Mr. Brezinski and a certain Mrs. Nuland, all the whole leeching money from the MIC.
I don't give a fuck about neocons, and i won't start simping Russia, China and Iran just to spite them or more like their ghosts and a bunch of senile retirees who are about to join the former, it's not 2005 anymore.
You are poking the bear obsessively, it will poke back, and your friends decide if is not worth it to help you if your excessive bellicosity brought it about and/or damaged their interests.
Take this russophilic great power spiel and return it where it belongs, beyond Ural mountains. That's something it seems we cannot see eye to eye on. NATO exists mostly to make sure that the bear doesn't get to throw its weight around with whining about provocations, "excessive bellicosity" and other bullshit like that, if the bear wants to make the argument that might makes right, then it should be the one to back down from superpowers like USA, not to mention whole NATO, which could be considered a hyperpower alliance. If the bear doesn't stop poking them and stay in its cold, dark cave, it may end up as someone's carpet or wall ornament.
For the record, I do not want any form of involuntary Pan-Slavism or Eurasianism that includes you.
You are not orthodox, you despise the superior Slavic alphabet, you have never had any cultural influence from Byzantium.
Well there's no voluntary form with Russia involved, take that as you will.
To me Poles do not fit in the east at all, Russia was on the wrong to try and make you be more like it culturally and the partition was not something one Slavic country should do to another.
However, the partition was all absolute monarch level 18 century power politics, and the person that was responsible for it wasn't even Russian but German.
Like it or not, Russia is not concerned about what Slavic countries can do to one another, Russia was always concerned what it can join into its empire, and having the creativity to find an excuse for doing it (the latter is never the hard part, just a little creativity is needed).
The USSR was also a disaster, but Putin is neither Catherine nor Stalin, and the power balance is far less favorable.
Unfortunately for him. Which is why he's stuck on Ukraine now.
You called me a communist first!

Now, I will admit, our shitty relationship was in part my doing, bit that does not mean you didn't provide your share of nasty provocations and that you don't have an awful debating style, and ther eis thst need of yours to always get the last word in and to browbeat the opposition.

I'd be happy to bury the hatchet and stay away you if you do likewise.
You regurgitated lefty foreign policy hot takes at me like here probably, so stop stealing commie's talking points if you don't want to be mistaken for one, steal them from someone smarter if you have to, you seem to even know where to look, i don't know why you don't.

We can bury the hatchet, but provocations are made in the judgement of the provoked, there is no limit what people can spin into considering as one, both in international politics and forum one, so throwing this term is something that will get it thrown back at you for no gain.
 
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King Arts

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For Slavic languages it is perfect.

Also, you have just insulted my nation's greatest achievement.

Go fuck ur mum, kurva. :ROFLMAO:
Normally I would insult you back. But this once I’ll forgive you because I feel bad if your peoples greatest and only achievement was the crappy Slavic alphabet. I’m sorry I’m sure your people will meaningfully contribute to humanity in the future.
 

Agent23

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Ah, so basically a little of everything to cover whatever you feel like arguing at the moment.
So basically the Hobbesian concept of war of all agsinst all and realpolitik balance of power won't work very well in a nation state, or do you have different observations. :ROFLMAO:
Only retards would base their foreign policy on what the countries they don't like can possibly use for propaganda purposes and then not doing any of that (answer: they will use absolutely anything, and if they struggle, they will make something up, it's not like their serfs will know any better).
I propose we base the foreign policy on actual national interests, particularly economic ones, as well as the understanding that other countries have interests and this thing called sovereignty.
You know, modified in places like the Treaty of Westphalia and the Congress of Vienna, both of which gave Europe a pretty stable, working system...
As far as whining about some allies and frenemies (more frenemies tbh) goes (also domain of certain political factions more than others), the saying goes, don't ask if they are bastards, ask if they are our bastards.

Hey, there was another kind of socialist that was not interested in spreading his brand of socialism globally, yet he ended up being a huge pain in the ass to half the continent too.
As any socialists he also was a big fan of voodoo economics and bureaucracy.
Ideology or not, China has very clear ambitions of playing superpower, and it will do it for the satisfaction and benefit of CCP leadership, at the expense of everyone else it can get an upper hand over.
Chinese civilizarion has always been pretty inward looking.
And some of its grievances against,like the century of Humiliation, the unequal treaties and Japanese expansionism that led to the commies taking over to begin with are legitimate.
That last one saw Formosa, aka Taiwan, as the staging area for Japanese aggression.
Similarly, the Chinese great fear is that of being encircled, and their export driven growth and dependency on raw material and food imports has made access to secure foreign trade a hard requirement.

List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia

The South China Sea is perhaps the most contested waterway in the world. China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines, and Taiwan all have competing claims there.

Oh, lol, even a hawkish shitlib rsg like the Atlantic explains that the claims for stuff in the South China Sea are mutual and conflicting.

As to the Philippines, it had seen it's internal affairs interfered with by the USA for over a century, starting with the USA's colonization of the place.
Philippine Senators tell US lawmakers to stay out of country’s affairs  — Dateline USA

Philippines Notifies US of Intent to End Major Security Pact
Besides the issue of Taiwan itself, once that's resolved in a way positive to them, on a high of victory in particular there's no way they will leave the rest of the region alone, including major western economic partners (in light of the topic, possibly soon not just major, but absolutely crucial) like Japan and South Korea, nevermind weaker, easier to swallow fish like Philippines and the rest of SEA states.
Zomg, if HonCho Mihn wins in Vietnam he will be in Los Angeles next...

As I said, you go for idiotic domino theory nonsense.

Read a book.
Crimea river. States "interfere in the affairs of multiple states" since... well hard to say, certainly for as long as states and diplomacy between them exist. Either way, it started somewhere in the
ancient history, not centuries but millennia ago, and everyone and their dog does that since then, and probably will be for as long as such a thing as states exists.
Trying to make an argument on that basis is an insult to someone's intelligence, either your own if you believe it, or mine if you hoped i'll take it as a serious argument.
Empty rhetoric here.
Great job falling for bureaucrat bullshit and lefty propaganda.
Fun fact, Syria is a third world shithole, doesn't have fancy biometric passports, and euroliberals aren't going to trust the government's word (and for good reasons), so, forgery hooray!
Any third worlder who speaks Arabic- even if bad Arabic, average EU bureaucrat won't know nor care, and remember many Muslims learn some Arabic just for religious purposes, has 250 bucks and can memorize a sob story (there are whole internet forums to help) could have become a Syrian "good enough for bureaucratic purposes " - and since euroliberals made it clear that Syrians as opposed to random third worlders get near perfect chances of successful asylum claim, there's a motivation for them to study. That is if the bureaucrat even care to make the basic checks, some more "no borders, no nations, no deportations" chanting bureaucrats will even handwave through Bengali Syrians who don't speak a word of Arabic and Somali Syrians with suspiciously dark skin (don't be racist!). Even the liberal guardianistas and merkelites realized it in 2015, yet you are 9 years behind them, because it serves your pet peeve of shitting on neocons if nothing else.
For comparison, something less rife with application scammery, based on stated origin on arrival, rather than legalese in asylum application, and after the forgery and Syria virtue signalling got a bit curtailed:
pbn04062018-7b.jpg

pbn04062018-7c.jpg

So with Italy being the top boat people country for EU in these 2 years, Afghanistan/Iraq/Syria don't even manage to get into the top of the list, it's all Subsaharan Africa, Arabs who don't even have wars, and special honors for Bangladesh and Pakistan, that's fucking far away and no excuse.

Basically any shithole country that western leaders will declare that its citizens will get free western bleeding heart welcome is bound to see a huge rise in asylum seekers, some with real some with fake origin there, with all sorts of more and less credible sob stories for why they deserve a free migration pass with side benefits worth a 5-6 digit USD sum, no "muh western intervention" needed.
20150502_wom129.png

Why such huge smuggler network for muh western intervention countries?
Good job posting a graph from the Economist, aka one of the primary neolib shit publications that actively cheered for the pointless and fruitless interventions in Syria and Libya and wrote drooling fanfiction of President Hilary's first day in office.

They were kissing Ursula's ass when she became German defense minister, too.

Thst publication needs to be renamed to the Sisterhood of the Corrupt, pantsuit wearing a penis envy afflicted bull dykes fan club.

As to the rest of your stuff, well, as usual you point at a single tree you',vs picked before hand and screech loudly, then you conveniently fail to provide a full, long term picture of the situation and that both Syria and Libya had a relatively decent living standard prior to being bombed into ISIS territory with open air slave markets.
One would assume the people over there would act appropriately and want to fuck over some of the westerners that turned their countries to shit but such an observation would require one to think more than one step ahead, something you can not do.
I don't give a fuck about neocons, and i won't start simping Russia, China and Iran just to spite them or more like their ghosts and a bunch of senile retirees who are about to join the former, it's not 2005 anymore.
Strawman detected.

No one is asking you to join anyone.
Take this russophilic great power spiel and return it where it belongs, beyond Ural mountains. That's something it seems we cannot see eye to eye on. NATO exists mostly to make sure that the bear doesn't get to throw its weight around with whining about provocations, "excessive bellicosity" and other bullshit like that, if the bear wants to make the argument that might makes right, then it should be the one to back down from superpowers like USA, not to mention whole NATO, which could be considered a hyperpower alliance. If the bear doesn't stop poking them and stay in its cold, dark cave, it may end up as someone's carpet or wall ornament.
Empty rhetoric, as per usual.

When are you returning all of Germany's territories you got thanks to evil commie Stalin back to it?

The Russians have been around in the lands you either salivate over or claim are owned by other people far longer than you have, by your logic you should get back to your original territories as they were under Beloslav I.
760px-Border_changes_in_history_of_Poland.png

Well there's no voluntary form with Russia involved, take that as you will.
There is not reasonable discussion or common ground with you, either.
How much Orc heritage do you have, again?
Like it or not, Russia is not concerned about what Slavic countries can do to one another, Russia was always concerned what it can join into its empire, and having the creativity to find an excuse for doing it (the latter is never the hard part, just a little creativity is needed).
And here we go with the Muh Russian again.
You got partitioned between them, the Austrians and the Prussians, then later got used as a puppet state by the French.
So, Russia didn't do anything thet other European powers weren't doing.
Times have changed since then, of course, and trying to invade and occupy you would be equivalent to sticking a hedge hog up their ass, for zero benefit and without anything to justify the effort.
There are no Russians there, you hate them, and it is not like the process will see much internal support or garner profits.
Unfortunately for him. Which is why he's stuck on Ukraine now.
Muh Ukraine, muh Russia, muh Putin.
All living rent free in your head.
You regurgitated lefty foreign policy hot takes at me like here probably, so stop stealing commie's talking points if you don't want to be mistaken for one, steal them from someone smarter if you have to, you seem to even know where to look, i don't know why you don't.
Yeah, sure, everything you dislike is a commie/Russian troll...
I am certainly not straling talking points from your sources, since they are proven, multi decade failures.
We can bury the hatchet, but provocations are made in the judgement of the provoked, there is no limit what people can spin into considering as one, both in international politics and forum one, so throwing this term is something that will get it thrown back at you for no gain.
Ok, I will bite, what do you consider "burying the hatchet" would look like other than complete capitulation of one side to the other?
 

Marduk

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So basically the Hobbesian concept of war of all agsinst all and realpolitik balance of power won't work very well in a nation state, or do you have different observations. :ROFLMAO:
Yeah, as i said, a little of everything.
I propose we base the foreign policy on actual national interests, particularly economic ones, as well as the understanding that other countries have interests and this thing called sovereignty.
You know, modified in places like the Treaty of Westphalia and the Congress of Vienna, both of which gave Europe a pretty stable, working system...
It's the other country's job to worry for their interests, we have our own.
Chinese civilizarion has always been pretty inward looking.
And some of its grievances against,like the century of Humiliation, the unequal treaties and Japanese expansionism that led to the commies taking over to begin with are legitimate.
That last one saw Formosa, aka Taiwan, as the staging area for Japanese aggression.
Similarly, the Chinese great fear is that of being encircled, and their export driven growth and dependency on raw material and food imports has made access to secure foreign trade a hard requirement.

List of territorial disputes - Wikipedia

The South China Sea is perhaps the most contested waterway in the world. China, Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, the Philippines, and Taiwan all have competing claims there.

Oh, lol, even a hawkish shitlib rsg like the Atlantic explains that the claims for stuff in the South China Sea are mutual and conflicting.

As to the Philippines, it had seen it's internal affairs interfered with by the USA for over a century, starting with the USA's colonization of the place.
Philippine Senators tell US lawmakers to stay out of country’s affairs  — Dateline USA

Philippines Notifies US of Intent to End Major Security Pact
Take this "muh interference" shit to someone who cares, because i won't no matter how much you repeat it, China of all places doesn't get to complain about that.

Zomg, if HonCho Mihn wins in Vietnam he will be in Los Angeles next...

As I said, you go for idiotic domino theory nonsense.

Read a book.
Strawman detected, you go read a book, Taiwan is not some third world shithole.
Empty rhetoric here.
It's just a fact of history inconvenient for your favorite argument line, not rhetoric. "States interfere in affairs of other states" since forever, and will continue to do so as long as states exist, change my mind. It's called having a foreign policy.
Good job posting a graph from the Economist, aka one of the primary neolib shit publications that actively cheered for the pointless and fruitless interventions in Syria and Libya and wrote drooling fanfiction of President Hilary's first day in office.
Who the fuck are you to complain about economist being a neolib source?
I'd rather support interventionists a million times than outright mass migration shills like your source from Migration Policy Institute.
The Migration Policy Institute (MPI) is an American liberal[2][3] think tank established in 2001 by Kathleen Newland and Demetrios G. Papademetriou. The Migration Policy Institute is supportive of liberal immigration policies.[4][5][6]
They were kissing Ursula's ass when she became German defense minister, too.

Thst publication needs to be renamed to the Sisterhood of the Corrupt, pantsuit wearing a penis envy afflicted bull dykes fan club.

As to the rest of your stuff, well, as usual you point at a single tree you',vs picked before hand and screech loudly, then you conveniently fail to provide a full, long term picture of the situation and that both Syria and Libya had a relatively decent living standard prior to being bombed into ISIS territory with open air slave markets.
One would assume the people over there would act appropriately and want to fuck over some of the westerners that turned their countries to shit but such an observation would require one to think more than one step ahead, something you can not do.
>Syria had a decent living standard.
Are you out of your fucking mind? Too much Assad shilling?
In Libya at least the people el presidente liked had oil revenue so that's part true.
But in Syria, the 2011 shit hit so hard because their economy sucked since a long time, including years of drought sparking farmer villagers to migrate to cities and be shitpoor and angry there, letting Islamists recruit easily, the rest is history.
Strawman detected.

No one is asking you to join anyone.
Yeah, sure, "just" asking to argue against those who shill them, yeah, sure, totally different.
Empty rhetoric, as per usual.

When are you returning all of Germany's territories you got thanks to evil commie Stalin back to it?
None of the "but Germany" shit, Germany lost a war, and business between EU and NATO countries is not Russia's business.
The Russians have been around in the lands you either salivate over or claim are owned by other people far longer than you have, by your logic you should get back to your original territories as they were under Beloslav I.
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There is not reasonable discussion or common ground with you, either.
How much Orc heritage do you have, again?
Less than you lol.
Owned by other people who weren't Muscovites either.
IDGAF about self-shilling Muscovite historiography.
And here we go with the Muh Russian again.
You got partitioned between them, the Austrians and the Prussians, then later got used as a puppet state by the French.
So, Russia didn't do anything thet other European powers weren't doing.
Austro-Hungary is gone, and if you haven't noticed we aren't huge fans of Germany either.
Times have changed since then, of course, and trying to invade and occupy you would be equivalent to sticking a hedge hog up their ass, for zero benefit and without anything to justify the effort.
There are no Russians there, you hate them, and it is not like the process will see much internal support or garner profits.
If Russians were half cautious about avoiding tough conquests as you suggest they would not be in Ukraine now.
So take this "don't pay attention to the man behind the curtain" routine to some more naive people.
Muh Ukraine, muh Russia, muh Putin.
All living rent free in your head.
LOL. LMAO even.
Yeah, sure, everything you dislike is a commie/Russian troll...
I am certainly not straling talking points from your sources, since they are proven, multi decade failures.
You still regurgitate it, even "muh Syrian refugees, all bad West's fault" shit in this very post, instead of considering that perhaps Ba'ath party is socialist and the civil war had a lot to do with it sucking at running a country as socialists usually do, with too much population being little more than subsistence farmers, not being able to deal with their water management problem, and then trying to pacify them by force (not that he had money to fund other options, again shitpoor country) when a wave of unrest was going through the region.
Ok, I will bite, what do you consider "burying the hatchet" would look like other than complete capitulation of one side to the other?
I don't know, you proposed it, so you elaborate on your proposition. After you devolved what could be a civil discussion into your usual thinly veiled flames because i dared to mention German-Polish economic relations and "he's reeing about Russia" chanposting because i noticed that it's not appropriate, and then you baselessly accused me of derailing. If that's your idea of being diplomatic and not trying to start a fight, i don't think that's possible, your loss, and i mean the "your" part, because i don't care either way.
If you have a different idea, elaborate.
 

Cherico

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this is the first forum I've seen where they've put a person in a moderator position and let him go around autistically ruining most threads

Marduck is fun, you want to see autistic ruining of threads go to either space battles or sufficient velocity.
 

Rocinante

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this is the first forum I've seen where they've put a person in a moderator position and let him go around autistically ruining most threads
I really don't get it. He's one of the worst posters here. And would have been banned from most forums. But here? Go ahead and be a mod. Lol.

And that's not me saying he should be banned. I absolutely do not want that. Nor do I want infractions, thread bans, or anything of the sort. For pretty much anyone, which is why I don't report posts.

But being a mod? That's just a bit silly.

Anyways, I am not reading this entire thread. In fact, i usually don't bother to read Marduk's posts at all.

What I will say, is that to me personally, here in the United States, yes DEI is FAR more dangerous to my country, way of life and well being, than anything going in with Hamas or Russia. My biggest enemies are RIGHT THE FUCK HERE, and the sooner more Americans start to realize this, the better.

I can understand people like Marduk over in Poland, right next to this mess, having a different perspective. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a half braindead, shitposting little weasel who likes to shift goalposts, twist words in discussions and ruins every thread he touches... But I do get the difference in perspective.
 
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What I will say, is that to me personally, here in the United States, yes DEI is FAR more dangerous to my country, way of life and well being, than a thing going in with Hamas or Russia.
If you had a clue, you would know that the separation between these two problems is... blurry at best, rather than something to set threat priorities for one over another.
As in Russia and other hostile powers have figured out that grift a long time ago, if they didn't invent it in the first place, and are using it against USA and other western countries since then.

For example not so long ago Putin himself, as in the article is under his name, on state owned site, has invoked a radical leftist conspiracy theory, that included calling all the western peoples "racist and neocolonialist".
It's a theory more or less in line with what western leftists think about victimhood of "oppressed people" and accusations of "western imperialism", which are directly connected to DEI, specifically the D part, affirmative action and so on.
If you don't want to see such ideological and interest connections, that's just willful blindness to facts that are inconvenient to pro-Russian and isolationist narratives.
Of course China is not far behind, and the E stuff, there's also little talked about skeletons in the closets of environmental activists - like the (in)famous Greta wanting to "overthrow the West's oppressive capitalist system" and there's also no shortage of cases of Russia being caught funding green activists in the West while suppressing them domestically, possibly giving it some credit for the oddly retarded situation of Germany shutting down rather than expanding nuclear power with all the implications of that.
I can understand people like Marduk over in Poland, right next to this mess, having a different perspective. Doesn't mean I don't think he's a half braindead, shitposting little weasel who likes to shift goalposts and twist words in discussions. But I do get the difference in perspective.
Likewise, you idiotic, clueless Russia simp who thinks not just perspectives, but very facts of reality change their state depending on where one lives.
Sorry, but your faction of the right doesn't get to freely outshout the opposition on this forum, and other people do get to shout back at it, some people really do try and get very peeved off that shitposting at people gets them shitposted back at.
 
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Agent23

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this is the first forum I've seen where they've put a person in a moderator position and let him go around autistically ruining most threads
His angry autism is limited primarily to Russia and a few of the people your average Murikah or tradcuck see as Satan, but he gets less riled up about those.
For the most part he is same, unless you challenge his alleged deep understanding of military equipment topics/try to stop him from ceiselessly talking about that stuff in an unrelated thread.

If you had a clue, you would know that the separation between these two problems is... blurry at best, rather than something to set threat priorities for one over another.
As in Russia and other hostile powers have figured out that grift a long time ago, if they didn't invent it in the first place, and are using it against USA and other western countries since then.

For example not so long ago Putin himself, as in the article is under his name, on state owned site, has invoked a radical leftist conspiracy theory, that included calling all the western peoples "racist and neocolonialist".
It's a theory more or less in line with what western leftists think about victimhood of "oppressed people" and accusations of "western imperialism", which are directly connected to DEI, specifically the D part, affirmative action and so on.
If you don't want to see such ideological and interest connections, that's just willful blindness to facts that are inconvenient to pro-Russian and isolationist narratives.
Of course China is not far behind, and the E stuff, there's also little talked about skeletons in the closets of environmental activists - like the (in)famous Greta wanting to "overthrow the West's oppressive capitalist system" and there's also no shortage of cases of Russia being caught funding green activists in the West while suppressing them domestically, possibly giving it some credit for the oddly retarded situation of Germany shutting down rather than expanding nuclear power with all the implications of that.

Likewise, you idiotic, clueless Russia simp who thinks not just perspectives, but very facts of reality change their state depending on where one lives.
Sorry, but your faction of the right doesn't get to freely outshout the opposition on this forum, and other people do get to shout back at it, some people really do try and get very peeved off that shitposting at people gets them shitposted back at.
Colonialism does not equal racism, and the golden million is more an extension of the old rhetoric about the evil capitalist west mixed with some pandering to the Third World/Global South.
The idea for the "Golden Billion" is a pretty old Russian meme, now Putin, since he has lost some support from the more pro-Western segment, will need to use it.

Furthermore, you and a bunch of other anti-Russia people have been harping about Russian Imperialism and Colonialism, so see it as tit for tat.
If anything, Commie China and the USSR used to utilize the same rhetoric against each-other.

And while colonialism has had some impact on the predicament of many of the affected areas and some contribution to them bring poor neoloberalism, top down Globalism, stupid and fruitless intrrventionalism have had a bigger impact.

However, by and large, the reason why most 3rd world shitholes are shitholes now, is because they were shitholes BEFORE an European stepped there.

India has that idiotic cast system and a religious tradition that literally damages your body and brain, and encourages swimming in a holy rover full of fecal matter.

Africa, Africa before the Europeans was less socially developed than the frigging OG City states in the fertile crescent.
Amd some tribes were more than happy to sell their cousins to the ecil white man for some beads.
The fact that those same slaves would have been sold off to Good Muslim Brown Man as slaves, then porobably died after being castrated and marched to the middle east is nowhere mentioned.

 

Marduk

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Colonialism does not equal racism, and the golden million is more an extension of the old rhetoric about the evil capitalist west mixed with some pandering to the Third World/Global South.
The idea for the "Golden Billion" is a pretty old Russian meme, now Putin, since he has lost some support from the more pro-Western segment, will need to use it.
Yes, it is pretty old, and it is very much in agreement with what western SJWs think of world politics and the place western countries have in them.
Furthermore, you and a bunch of other anti-Russia people have been harping about Russian Imperialism and Colonialism, so see it as tit for tat.
If anything, Commie China and the USSR used to utilize the same rhetoric against each-other.
They invented it, they can have it thrown back. Note that we don't even care that much about Russia doing it in actual shitholes like everyone else, but when they do it in middle of Europe that's a step too far.
And while colonialism has had some impact on the predicament of many of the affected areas and some contribution to them bring poor neoloberalism, top down Globalism, stupid and fruitless intrrventionalism have had a bigger impact.

However, by and large, the reason why most 3rd world shitholes are shitholes now, is because they were shitholes BEFORE an European stepped there.
But even suggesting that is taboo in... you got it right, the same circles that love DEI or even think it doesn't go far enough.
So considering you know the biggest reasons, it's only less understandable why you join into "blame the evil West and its interventionism" brigade.
India has that idiotic cast system and a religious tradition that literally damages your body and brain, and encourages swimming in a holy rover full of fecal matter.
India in some areas practices hard socialist governance stubbornly since they got independence.
Even Greta herself got caught up shilling for them when India was reforming away some of that few years ago, in the end the reforms got repealed.
 

Agent23

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Yes, it is pretty old, and it is very much in agreement with what western SJWs think of world politics and the place western countries have in them.
One set of countries were more effective at the Hobbesian race and at creating social and economic institutions.
Then that civilization did what all other civilizations have done throughoit history, although that group also stopped some of the nastier religious shit, and slavery.
They invented it, they can have it thrown back. Note that we don't even care that much about Russia doing it in actual shitholes like everyone else, but when they do it in middle of Europe that's a step too far.
Press F to doubt on who invented it.
But even suggesting that is taboo in... you got it right, the same circles that love DEI or even think it doesn't go far enough.
So considering you know the biggest reasons, it's only less understandable why you join into "blame the evil West and its interventionism" brigade.
That statement is not 100% wrongz it might be 30-40% right maybe as high as 60-70% in some cases where economic neocolonialism and intrrventionalism are concerned.
India in some areas practices hard socialist governance stubbornly since they got independence.
Even Greta herself got caught up shilling for them when India was reforming away some of that few years ago, in the end the reforms got repealed.
India for infected by Fabian Socialism thanks to some of its British colonial administrators being crypto-lefties and incompetents.
And since it is a "muh hyperdiverse" democracy you have the usual clientelism/bioleninism going on.

The Indians push a lot of woke shit, and they are some of the most in group preferential racist people on the planet.

You also have the influence of Gandhi, who was pretty leftist in some aspects.


But having India the way it is now can be traced to a lot of British idiocy.

If they had not stitched it together out of a multitude of small principalities and territories and speincled Fabianism on top, then bent over for the hippie Gandhi it wouldn't be the diverse, leftist mess it is now.

As to Greta herself, she can mouth polish my balls after I have worked up a sweat, then go live in a Mumbai slum.

As to farmers, well on the west and on the EU we have subsidies, since we need to have a reliable domestic food supply.

That is not a bad policy,even if it smells of ledtism, and usually farmers are a reliable nationalist and right wing/conservative voting block.
 

The One Char

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What's even worse is I don't think a Republican sweep of the Presidency and Legislature can fix this. The US is to balanced on a knife's edge, and the chip manufacturers watched what happened to the various pipelines that Republicans enabled immediately cancelled, so know that even if Republicans roll back DEI requirements as soon as a Dem President comes in, they will be back with a vengeance. Until the Dems systemically reject DEI and its systems, these companies won't take the risk.
As you can see when @Marduk has to choose between the US getting it's shit together and America continuing to suck EU dick, he fucks over Americans in a heartbeat like the good little eurocuck he is.
 

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