Fuck off, treacherous whore. USA is lucky retards like you are not in charge of foreign policy.
United States U.S. DEI crap worse than Hamas missiles and being next door to the mess in Ukraine, chipmakers think.
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problem: I'm not sure our foreign policy isn't run by retards...I mean, look at it's current status.
Agent23
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He does not like the EU, he basically wants a new PLC controlling most of European Russia and Ukraine and probably a decent chunk of the Balkans, fo him NATO and the EU are at most tools to beat Russia with IMHO.
Guy is kinds high on a modernized version of what the Poles call prometheanism IMHO.
So, basically a US-philiac Polish nationalist of the louder and more obnoxious variety, probably the offshoot of some long gone midling aristocrat family, too, given how vocally he fanboys their Golden "Freedom" and Magnates.
If you replace a few names, say Russia and USA, and Poland and Bulgaria, he would be considered a milktoast centrist leaning sloghtu to the roght by the Bulgarian Right.
Same goes for most other rightwing/nationalist groups within Eastern Europe.
And even among some rightwing poles I have seen on telegram he is actually a lot less loud and autistic, and americaphilia, by comparison.
And I haven't seen him hate on Jews, either, so he would likely be kicked out of Federstzia.
If you think they are bad, look at the fringe of the same party who think they aren't nearly retarded enough... Complete with also wanting to throw away multi-decade old alliances to favor some crazy shithole that won't like them in return anyway.
How nice that i'm getting my own political fanfiction on TS.
The One Char
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I'm gonna quote @mrttao to explain what I consider a threat to america.
Really? Because he certainly screams "NO! You can't do that!" like a eurocuck when people in America try to do thins like bring manufacturing back and not let Europe use us cumrag/attack dog.
Agent23
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You are the guy that defended your serfdom practices in Ukraine and your broken, oligarchical Magnate system dude.
And don't bitch, I am merkly pointing out that where the right in Eastern Europe as a whole is concerned you are actually quite pro American and not that hard right.
You can thank me for defending you some other time I guess.
The One Char
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To be fair, I understand why Poles like him hate and fear their historical regional enemy Russia. But that's the problem, regional enemy. America frankly has bigger fish to fry.You are the guy that defended your serfdom practices in Ukraine and your broken, oligarchical Magnate system dude.
And don't bitch, I am merkly pointing out that where the right in Eastern Europe as a whole is concerned you are actually quite pro American and not that hard right.
You can thank me for defending you some other time I guess.
Agent23
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You are not bringing manufacturing back, you are trying to steal manufacturing from the EU, and succeeding.
This little war your state department cooked up with the aid of our dumb fuck Eurocratd like Ursula and stupid Greens, coupled with the Biden money printing, basically fucked over everyone from BASF to MIELE.
The situation between the USA and the EU can be summed up in the former telling the latter that you should die today so I can live a few weeks longer.
Meanwhile, China is doing quite well out of it all.
And for the record,Biden's money printing and fucking us over where energy is concerned will not restore US industry, because a lot of those companies will move to China or other East Asian countries that still have high growth, a well educated populario and have not fallen to wokeness or the green bullshit or the latest bout of virtue signalling related to Ukraine.
Murikha is a bleeding empire, I would rather see it purge itself of wokeness and the leftoid agendas and turn itself into a concrete conservative country from a liberal propositional wannabe empire, and that way it can also serve as an example to others what to do.
Your current trajectory though, is turning you into a dangerous example what NOT TO DO, and at the same time one thet wants to force those types of choices on the rest of the world, much like the USSR, time you go back to being a Republic!
You were the guy who attacked them to excuse historical Russian aggression, while Russian ones definitely were worse, and so i had to defend them in that relation, so don't pull this out of context shit on me.
With those odd fringes you never know is being more hard right or less hard right is a good thing or a bad thing in their eyes.And don't bitch, I am merkly pointing out that where the right in Eastern Europe as a whole is concerned you are actually quite pro American and not that hard right.
You can thank me for defending you some other time I guess.
America disagrees.
Russia earned the honorable spot as one of 6 officially recognized foreign adversaries by US government, and US public according to polling also agrees about this more than most other things.
If you thought that stating out that you subscribe to his steak of conspiracy memes masquerading as good foreign policy analysis is going to make you look more reasonable and convincing, you made a huge mistake.
Agent23
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Serfdom is serfdom.
Yo ars still attached to a piece of land and can not do much of anything if your feudal lord doesn't let you or decides to sell the land.
And many of the cossacks were exactly such runaway serfs.
All I am saying is that Hmelnitsk dis not happen for no reason and you should accept that.
Furthermore, the Russians managed to build a working form of what is referred to as a service aristocracy that was effective at fending off threats and expanding the borders of the country.
Contrast this with the polish Barons, who from a military caste that was supposed to work under the king and defend the land turned into little more than greedy, fat rent seekers that actively sabotaged the efforts of Polish kings to centealize power and strengthen your nation in the face of coming threats, that is why the whole Potop happened.
You are not right all the time, you need to learn that and stop doubling down!
The One Char
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Yes, yes, Russia was more effective in creating STRONK!!! government.
But hilariously enough, that argument, even if i agree with it, is inconsistent with turning around and shitting on PLC for its serfdom and decentralized power.
The stronk centralized government in turn meant its serfs (serfdom was not exactly the same thing in different times and places, so no to "serfdom is serfdom") were treated so badly they even ran away to be serfs elsewhere, including in PLC.
In turn the stronk and centralized government took almost a century more to start lifting serfdom than the evil magnate land with decentralized power (started with Constitution of 3rd of May), so if you want to shit on PLC for serfdom of all things, the same points apply better to some other European states of the same age.
Fugitive peasants - Wikipedia
Serfdom in Poland - Wikipedia
Because apparently you have no idea that the right, both in US and internationally, is a big camp of sometimes varied and conflicting views, and we are not obliged to agree with the most fringe opinions we see, including completely out of whack memeworthy scaling of existential threats to a state, some of these points of the list are not equal to others, some are outright jokes (which is also criticism worthy, but calling a joke an existential threat makes you a joke too) rather than "existential threats" like he described them, so to answer the question, i'm a mod because i don't subscribe to such hysterics.
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The One Char
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Dude, this is America, The State is the threat.
mrttao
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> Fringe opinion
It really isn't.
Those are facts, and they are in no way fringe.
Your insistence on suddenly sucking CNN cock and insisting that these are all just conspiracy theories is appalling.
Agent23
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Yeah, sure, ok, your source is Wikipedia and the editor might as well be the infamous bored Polish housewife.Yes, yes, Russia was more effective in creating STRONK!!! government.
But hilariously enough, that argument, even if i agree with it, is inconsistent with turning around and shitting on PLC for its serfdom and decentralized power.
The stronk centralized government in turn meant its serfs (serfdom was not exactly the same thing in different times and places, so no to "serfdom is serfdom") were treated so badly they even ran away to be serfs elsewhere, including in PLC.
In turn the stronk and centralized government took almost a century more to start lifting serfdom than the evil magnate land with decentralized power (started with Constitution of 3rd of May), so if you want to shit on PLC for serfdom of all things, the same points apply better to some other European states of the same age.
Fugitive peasants - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
Serfdom in Poland - Wikipedia
Serfs ran away from both Poland and Russia to become cossacks and later willingly worked for the Tzar or Hmelnitski.
And your good buddies the Lithuanians were rether eager to forcibly converted or mistreat orthodox people.
If life under you guys was that good you wouldn't have had the Potop or Hmelnitski and his bloody programs.
Half of these are minor bullshit not "existential threats", your insistence this opinion isn't fringe or constitutes sucking CNN cock means you are mentally stuck at 14 and your political understanding is stuck on the level of shitposting on chans or twitter, other people have zero obligation to entertain your hysterics and treat them seriously.
Yes, i know, EN wikipedia is not Russian historiography, neither is Polish, but i see no reason why i should care, Russian one is shamelessly self-serving even by the standard of average national historiography, to the point of having to disagree with the rest of the world on basic facts like when WW2 started.
Cossacks were a designation for frontier people who more or less lived independently unless hired, or later on, forced to work.
In PLC the controversy was that this really didn't work out that well in less frontiery areas that did have feudal control, so there was formal division between "registered cossacks" who were crown's salaried soldiers, and those who didn't make the cut to get one of the limited slots in the register and so didn't get to be paid or have privileges, and PLC not enlarging the registry (which would mean paying more) was a major bone of contention for the following uprisings.
Yeah, sure, classic accuse the other denomination of being mean to own peasants, i know, not that you or i care.
Potop was fucking Swedes, what do they have to do with living standards (except their looting damaging them).
Chmielnitsky in the long run made a fucking mistake with choosing sides.
Pereiaslav Agreement
So in the end Russia screwed over the Cossacks by taking away all the independence... they fought PLC and sided with Russia because they thought they will get more of.
Which fits with the later perspective on it:
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