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  1. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    If by whole system, you mean justice in any very blue state? I already lost all respect for them. So did most of the US. The big question is what happens federally, as that impacts the system as a whole, not just on a per-state basis.
  2. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Very unlikely. Jurors usually shut up enough not to blow up the case, as the juror needs to say some very specific things to get tossed. SCOTUS recently reaffirmed that this was how the law works in 2019. I doubt it. Also, it doesn't apply here anyway, as this is the first time he's in jeopardy...
  3. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    It wouldn't be. Those almost never go anywhere, for good reason, unless a juror talks and screws up. He voted in New York in 2016, IIRC, so yeah, he's a resident at the time of the crime. And obviously, he lived at the white house while in office, so not a resident afterwards, then he moved to...
  4. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    No, it doesn't just take one, as the prosecution can also appeal. It'll go to the NY Court of Appeals (their highest court), and then it'll be a majority rules. Ah. Then you run into the issue that New York has a ton of things that extend the statute of limitations (including not living in New...
  5. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    See? Now you're arguing a completely different point. You've abandoned your claim that it's a federal crime that the state won't see, and changed it to being a claim about evidence. The issue? They do have 'some' 'evidence'. Namely that Cohen says he had a phone call with Trump where he got...
  6. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    That's not how this works. There's a bunch of issues with this, but the most obvious example is this: given Trump's being tried by a state DA in a state court, it's a state crime. Also, there's an exception to double jeopardy that might be relevant here called dual sovereignty doctrine...
  7. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Sadly, that's rarely enforced. You'd need the jury to make a mistake (saying they were going to convict regardless, etc) for that to fly. Quite bluntly, there's never going to be an impartial jury for Trump in America, he's too political, well known, and divisive. It's not. It's a state crime...
  8. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    There's no warrant issue in the NY case, so no 4th amendment issue. And Trump not taking the stand gets rid of most of the fifth amendment stuff, and did get a grand jury. On top of that, double jeopardy doesn't apply to mistrials without prejudice (which is what a hung jury becomes). The New...
  9. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    It doesn't depend on the appeals court. It depends on the crime though. Specifically, as these are state crimes, the final court for these crimes will be a NY court (specifically the NY Court of Appeals, the NY equivalent of other state supreme courts). The only time there's an exception to this...
  10. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Sure, but you are in jail during the appeals, and the final court of appeals for this is a state court, not SCOTUS. Oh, it would, but I don't know that Bragg cares.
  11. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Honestly, the Jack Smith one is less concerning to me than the NYC trial. It's an NYC jury. Objectively speaking, there's holes in the case. But will NYC jurors ignore those holes because they think he's guilty anyway? And next week (specifically Tuesday) is when closing arguments are set for. I...
  12. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Oh, they definitely underestimate him. They think he's an idiot. But I don't think you understand the sheer blind hatred they have for him, and how unreasonable they are.
  13. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    I'm not too worried. Oddly, BIden ended up taking part of the fall for the Pandemic because he won. Trump didn't handle the pandemic well, and was partly responsible for inflation. PPP and other handouts did happen under Trump too. But given that inflation took a little while to hit, and Biden...
  14. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Maga has achieved real political power. Some of the best voices from the Tea Party are still there (Massie for example), who know how the previous stuff failed. We are also watching a changing of the guard. Constant speaker no-confidences, Lara Trump as the head of the RNC, and Mitch McConnell...
  15. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Anyway, oral arguments happened before the Supreme Court for Trump's immunity claims. This affects only his federal claims, not the Georgia or New York cases, tbc. He seemed to do well. Kavanaugh seemed to be open to a favorable ruling, which is big.
  16. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Um, I didn't say that. If this was fair at all, it should at least move locales. All I said is that having as few free dismissals as possible is good for Trump, not the prosecution, if they get the same number.
  17. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    It isn't being handled fairly In NYC. In the other places, I have hope. But it doesn't matter if it's being handled fairly in NYC. There's no need for a conspiracy there, just watch and let the juror pool do it's stuff, and voila, conviction. There's no point to bitch about the juror pool. And...
  18. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    Yeah, for a few thousand dollars. I'm not worried about this, it hardly matters. What shocks me is that the case is going forward and wasn't dismissed. I'm expecting a conviction here, unless the judges get in the way, because of the juror pool. The best shot Trump has is a dismissal of charges...
  19. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    The second is definitely met, as the likely punishment for this is imprisonment.
  20. Abhorsen

    Trump Investigations Thread

    I'm pretty sure it's entirely legal, though I haven't checked the laws specifically. Now maybe it should be waived in a case like this, but legal is not moral or good. All it means is that rules were followed.
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