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Yeah, heaven and hell have definite societal virtues, same with religion, no complaint there. But I think there's something of an argument that being motivated by the avoidance of punishment lessens the morality of what a person is doing.

There's an old story of Rabia of Basra, a Sufi Mystic (a Muslim sect), who was running through the streets with a bucket of fire in one hand and a bucket of water in her other, shouting that she was going to burn down paradise and put out the fires of hell, because seeking goodness out of fear...

No. An action is identically moral/immoral, regardless of who the person specifically is (outside of their relation to who they do it to). So obviously a mother killing their child is worse than a stranger doing the same, but a parent killing their child is equally bad regardless of if the...

Yes. An action is either moral or immoral, regardless of if its a man or a woman doing it. And thus differences in the amount of shaming is something I'd very much disagree with. Whether it should be shamed at all, I don't really care. I don't like it, so I don't partake. I see no reason to...

Look, LordsFire isn't an authoritarian. It's absolutely not authoritarian to call something wrong, evil, or even disgusting. What's authoritarian is then using the government to enforce those views. Personally, I don't find casual sex evil. The people are consenting. It's more that I've seen...

Not in the same country. What you've talked (housing, college) about is actually all part and parcel of inflation, though some graphs will use a CPI (consumer price index) minus something, where they leave out say, housing, rent, food, or something else. That's usually a sign of BS unless they...

I'll tell you straight up, from a math grad's opinion, that life insurance companies hire the best statisticians. So whatever number that is, that's for the median life insurance purchaser's homemaker, with probably a bunch of other ways to normalize stuff and quantify stuff that make it a...

Note that this particular chart is screaming BS to me. Quite bluntly, my guess is that they only looked at people who earn wages hourly, but I can't quite be sure. In actuality, both real household and real personal income (real means adjusted for inflation, nominal means not adjusted), has...

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Yes. And democracy was an attempt to replace (a) with vote instead of violence. It's had some success, some failures. Also, (b) is still viable in the US. You can't go to a brand new place, but you can go to a place that agrees with you. Hence me moving out of taxachusetts.

This is very true. By it's nature, atheism shouldn't be a movement, or organized at all. It's like all the people who don't watch sports deciding to do something together: it's probably because they are all nerds and have that in common, not because they hate sports. Any movement of atheists...

No, that's the thing. Atheists aren't a group, any more than non-Christians are a group. The ones that think they are a group are the Religious ones. No. Because then I wouldn't be the aggressor. It requires me not to initiate. For example, I'm not allowed to go into someone's store and steal...

Sure. Next time don't say all though. It's begging to be shown up as an idiot. Also, an atheist organization is the religious atheist type. Why would an atheist join a particular organization? Only if being an atheist was somehow important to them (which it shouldn't be). ... This is just...

Atheist from the west here. I don't share those beliefs. It's not the only way to logically have morals, also. One can find morals from reason. Really, I think Simonbob is sorta onto something with the two types of atheist, but I think he screws up the two categories. And I think LordsFire is...

Being cast out with no marketable skills, no income, no money, and a scarlet letter of public record is a pretty big punishment. No, it's true. They are difficult at best to wash, and extremely expensive. Getting fluids in them is about the last thing anyone wants to do.

Generally, things like this is why governments shouldn't be involved in marriage. If they weren't, a prenup wouldn't be weird, it'd be part of agreeing to the marriage: defining what a marriage is to you, what constitutes cheating, etc. The punishment for the woman would still exist: they are...