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This I'll give you. He doesn't seem to know how people work, and thinks that human nature needs to change. But what he did do, when the pedal hit the metal, was stick up for what's right, and he listens to opposing view points, while calling out canceling. He's not a perfect person, and I don't...

It's the Goatee. But no, him talking about moving beyond genes is because he's an evolutionary biologist, and sees a lot of things in those lights. Also, he did what few did and stood up to power when it was difficult and he was nearly alone.