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  1. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    Yeah. Ancap is a nice ideal that's good to reach for, bad to grasp, as what you'll end up with is travel toward minarchism. Hence why I call myself morally an ancap, but not practically one.
  2. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    ... The right to shoot someone is conditional on it being self defense, yes. Is this somehow a surprise? Trying to kill someone by consciously going out to provoke them into 'scaring' you enough that you can kill them isn't self defense. It's aggression hidden by subterfuge. It's also...
  3. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    He purposely went down that road, knowing there was a protest, probably in order to get his car in the way, hoping that he could get attacked so he could kill someone. No, not your point. You asked if it would justify the rape (the action of the other person). The relevant question would be if...
  4. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    Again, he went to the place, with a weapon, intending to provoke people so he could claim self defense, and then shot someone. It hits the 3 step provocation test. If you go somewhere wanting to kill people and planning out a way to cause that, then yes, its not self defense. This isn't...
  5. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    Did he? Or did he plan on driving into a group of people on purpose to provoke an attack? Given his texts, I'd say probably the second. Morally, yes, the mafiosos are in the wrong. In fact, in any provocation case, the person provoked is usually in the wrong. The issue is that the person...
  6. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    Self defense is a response to a wrongful death. Even ignoring that the mafioso is doing something illegal, this wouldn't hit provoking because the person could reasonably say "I wanted to refuse to pay to refuse to pay", and that would be enough. The mafioso came to his house, which definitely...
  7. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    So first, you quoted the wrong section. You needed 9.32, for deadly force, though it is pretty similar. Second, you ignored the "And" in 9.31.a.2. Crucially, you can't provoke someone even if 1A or 1B was satisfied. 9.31.a.3 would refer to Perry as the actor (not the protestors), and basically...
  8. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    No. Again, you aren't reading what I'm saying: Doing something trying to provoke a fight? That's a problem. Any self defense person will tell you the same: you aren't acting in self defense when you do something with the intent of causing a fight, as you are provoking. Going somewhere that's...
  9. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    No, the law is if you intend to provoke a fight, you lose your right to self defense. It basically stops murders by bringing a concealed gun to meet up with someone you hate, and pissing them off enough to get them to attack you, then killing them in 'self defense'. There's a difference between...
  10. Abhorsen

    Antifa, Just an Idea

    So word to people who know anything about self defense: don't talk a lot about how you want to kill people and how you hope to provoke a self defense situation with protestors. Especially don't write it down. That's why he was convicted...
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