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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    You're not wrong, but it is an example of what the Axis could achieve under the right circumstances. Say if the Allies are pushing on Trieste but have only left a single division to screen the mountain passes on the Venetian plain, it's a useful example. I agree that airpower can, under the...
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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Undoubtedly Allied airpower is a major force multiplier but they still have to operate cautiously in this environment simply because the prospect of it. 1944 showed that while airpower could savage the German offensives as they develop they could still be implemented, sometimes successfully, and...
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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Gorizia and Trieste are behind the Isonzo River: Another good thing about this position for the Germans is that they can fortify on the mountainous terrain shown that overlooks the Venetian Plain "above" the river. It's basically a giant fire sack where their artillery can use the height...
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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    My bad, I've modified the thread title to say early 1944 to give a better idea of what I mean And that is a good question, I am assuming it would start in April and could be finished by June although I lack hard data for such.
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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    The retreat would start in April/May of 1944, as the situation around Anzio and the Gothic Line becomes untenable. Said airbases did end up becoming available in 1944 anyway, so I don't see that being moved up that much given the need to actually occupy all of Northern Italy straining the...
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    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    On another website, a discussion has been fostered concerning Erich von Manstein's strategic thoughts on Italy in 1943/1944, as detailed by Benoit Lemay's Erich von Manstein: Hitler's Master Strategist. Basically, Manstein was in favor of abandoning much of Italy to Allied occupation, a view...
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