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This is the original poster, contributing an additional idea to the thread. I have a new map - updating this world for circa 1825 The centerpiece of the new map is it shows how the "nestled nation" of the USA's territories were all subdivided into states by 1821 in matched pairs of "Free"...

I can respect your arguments here. Maybe London might consider New Philippines/Texas to be the ideal territory in their North American holdings for American freedmen or black refugees from Anglo-American wars, they could keep it named as is, or call it Freetown or Liberia or something. It's...

You have mentioned a couple times the idea that with less territorial expansion the Slavery-Freedom conflict comes to a head *sooner* in America than OTL as if expansion westward served to *relieve* sectional tension and pressures over the issue. I don't think I agree. I'm inclined to the more...

Oh, so @stevep, you're imagining it happening earlier, like sometime between 1804 and 1812? It would "complicate matters for everybody". Whose situation would get more complicated? Meaning would the US (a younger nation) or the UK (with more Napoleonic fighting ahead of it) suffer more from...

The California gold and the Nevada silver are big deal. I think that the California, Texas, Louisiana, Oklahoma, and Alaska oil are an even bigger deal long-term. Thankfully for small U.S. industry, if it keeps its full 1783 borders, the Mesabi Iron Range and other iron ranges of Minnesota are...

Maybe – But why are we so sure? With the later part of the 19th century, Britain’s precocious industrializing and iron-mongering, access to capital and finance, access to cheap Irish, Indian, Caribbean, and Chinese and Chinese labor, the British could bind the North American Dominions of...

I presume your logic here being a stable long-term free-state/slave-state balance means no American Civil War to end slavery violently, and any peaceful alternative would be painfully gradual? That’s interesting and I can appreciate that argument. The lack of an American Civil War has some...

If as Stevep suggests, Britain is less interested in massed of interior territory and more interested in islands and coastal enclaves, here is an alternative map for a less ambitious set of annexations. I still like my first map better, but this one is an alternative leaving Luisiana to the...

Here's are links to maps of the pre-war and post-war situations in North America in the OP Pre-war: Post-war:

A couple ideas off the bat- All the territorial gains in North America for Britain add to Britain’s long term potential power. They don’t add enough net revenue to decisively tilt things to an early win of French revolutionary and Napoleonic wars. those wars shouldn’t be any shorter as a...

Introduction - The Nootka Sound Crisis of 1789-1790. Nootka Crisis - Wikipedia This was a crisis started by the 1789 Spanish seizure of British ships and crews for violating what Spain called its exclusive territorial rights over the western coast of North America at least as far north as the...