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  1. sillygoose

    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    As I recall it was a small division level engagement in bad weather by infantry in the mountains, not a panzer corps offensive in more open terrain. Counterattacking was possible for limited engagements, especially if it included a lot of AAA or the weather was bad, but major offensives only...
  2. sillygoose

    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Don't forget about Allied airpower. Mortain and Arracourt as well as a bunch of fighting in Italy showed that airpower prevented such major counter offensives. "Brute Force" by John Ellis depicts those issues extremely well IMHO. Also unlike WW1 because of said airpower they can really hurt...
  3. sillygoose

    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Eventually sure, but how long would it take to assemble the necessary forces and logistics? 1945 would be more likely, but at that point given that the choke points mean only the old Isonzo line is forceable and the Germans would build up defenses in depth and quite extensively. So the ground...
  4. sillygoose

    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Gotcha. I thought you meant in September 1943 when this sort of retreat was originally proposed since you didn't specifically mention an exact date for this. Question is with the bombing of infrastructure which specific divisions would be pulled out and how long would that take? How long to...
  5. sillygoose

    WI: Italy abandoned, early 1944

    Though this does give some benefits in the near term in the East the problem is that in 1944 at some point the Wallies now have advanced air bases to pummel every part of Germany, which is fatal to their war effort. We can see what happened when the Wallies achieved their stop line in late...
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