ISOT 2019 America isot to 1945

Quickdraw101

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On December 25th, 2019, the modern day United States is transported back in time to December 25th, 1945. All overseas military assets, civilians, and satellite grid come back with them. Now the purpose of this thread isn't how America rules over the post WW2 world, but how can America improve it. Learning from our mistakes in history, how can we make a better world? How do we go about preventing the Korean conflict, the situation in Vietnam, the middle east, and Latin America? Could we prevent China from falling to communist forced? Would the Soviet Union collapse faster or would they try and start WW3 out of fear of the United States?
 
Whew. That's a lot of ground to cover. Just to forward to folks and write it to get it down (and accepting all of these have the hanging 'Final Countdown' debate over whether active intervention or not is a good idea)...

-USSR: Stalin is going to go full paranoic again, and with the US nuclear program and others that were under Soviet observation and infiltration gone...Well, the information-gathering side of things is going to have to be reformed from modern folks sympathetic to the guy. And even the vast majority of leftists in the US are hostile to 'tankies' of whom Uncle Joe is the premier example. This is one that might be 'Operation Unthinkable is going to have to be a thing' as a situation, in the name of not abandoning half of Europe to the folks, a laughably absurd difference in military capability, and the fact that it's quite plausible Stalin would try something himself in an attempt to win Europe in a fait accompli before the new-America can settle on any course of action (none of which really are good for the Soviets). Especially since the US is going to have modern forces popping up in Soviet-occupied Poland and Hungary that would probably experience a shitshow of someone's making.

-China: The other big-name flareup. The US is going to be in a position to do something about the ongoing civil war and have the prospective of saving literally millions of lives lost from war, famine, and the like. But supporting Mao is...unlikely...and Kai-Sheck is not a good alternative by any means. And with the host of other shit to do, trying to logistically support some kind of 'humanitarian' expedition seems like it'd be a stretch (and violate that old maxim against a land-war in Asia).

-Korea: Actually might sort out well? The US deployment on the DMZ is larger than the US forces there in 1945, and thus should be able take over for the Japanese occupation more quickly and effectively, would presumably have a good bit of experience in Korean language and customs at least (if not outdated...or...indated? future-dated?), and would probably be more helpful and accepting of the Provisional Korean government than Hodge was (and a quicker tossing-out of Japanese might help with the civil unrest). Best-case, the division never really takes hold and the peninsula as a whole organizes a government under UN (sans USSRY likely) observation/endorsement in '46 or '47 since Soviet propping-up of the northern sections never has a chance to take hold.

-Japan: Also might sort well...maybe? US military in Osaka might be able to 'take over' as far as occupation goes, at least temporarily, and continue with trials and the like for Japanese war criminals--and shit like the Unit 731 pardons can be avoided. On the other hand...Japanese occupation took more than 300,000 soldiers and a quick internet check says modern US deployment amounts to only ~50,000. That's quite a difference, but maybe modern technology can make up for it?

-Middle East: 'Shitshow' comes to mind? Little Soviet stuff to be concerned with, but the US has penny-packet deployments in a half-dozen ME states, and that'll be a mess most likely and...I just now think of the matter of war stock being held in other countries. If that goes back in time as well because it's technically AMerican, the Saudis, Norway, and Israel at least (I don't know where else there are similar storage sites) are going to find themselves awash in suddenly-existing bunkers that are packed with modern military equipment. That's a wrinkle for folks to consider.

-South America: This one seems like it's going to need a mass humanitarian/aid/development package? US draws on a lot of materials in SA for stuff--bauxite and Bolivia being the stereotypical example that comes to mind--and letting things slide with preexisting caudillos or installing new ones isn't going to attract much popular support in the US. Seems like there'd be a public outcry for some actual good-faith aid and assistance in the region rather than the meddling-about the US engaged in (to put things lightly) through the period.
 
Stalin may decide to fund attempts to infiltrate the USA and get lots of supporters, odds are he will have a problem in that him and a few other Communist leaders are memetically bad even for Western Leftists and put on the same level as fucking Hitler
 
We murder Stalin, De Gaul and basically every world leader that has ever remotely annoyed us with drone strikes. We also probably purge internally before going full Empire because A) time travel will freak everyone out
B) food disruptions
And
C) Short term gas shortage, plus a complete fucking of all our satellite networks
 
We murder Stalin, De Gaul and basically every world leader that has ever remotely annoyed us with drone strikes. We also probably purge internally before going full Empire because A) time travel will freak everyone out
B) food disruptions
And
C) Short term gas shortage, plus a complete fucking of all our satellite networks
All the satellites we own come back with us.
 
We are a net exporter of petroleum products as-of 2019, so the fuel disruption would be minimal, especially since we can resume importing Venezuela crude without even a real gap since we supposedly have the whole merchant marine with us.
 
We are a net exporter of petroleum products as-of 2019, so the fuel disruption would be minimal, especially since we can resume importing Venezuela crude without even a real gap since we supposedly have the whole merchant marine with us.

You will accelerate global warming!!!!

That said, I can see an annoying rise of people going to US Colleges....they will be required to waste time and money getting turned into commies while at it
 
As a napkin-math problem of an immediately obvious issue divorced more-so from policy concerns...

-US Merchant Marine gross tonnage was a little over 7 million tons as of last year(1)--with less than that which is 'militarily useful', and various distinctions within of what cargo those tonnages can transport. The Navy also has a subsection, the Military Sealift Command, that could contribute more, can't say much because there's no easily-found tonnage listing, but it's only some ~40-50 ships which would be 'cargo' ships(2).
Meanwhile, USMM gross tonnage at the end of WW2 is a bit hard to pin down without a little extra effort. But a wiki-walk informs me some 2400 Liberty ships (gross tonnage ~7100) survived the war, and 117 were gifted to the UK in the early portion. That plus ~500 Victory ships (GT ~7200) which were also produced puts the gross tonnage of merchant marine of those two types alone, disregarding any other ship the US operated, at just under 20 million tons.

Modern US might have better air-delivery logistics and a much smaller 'draw' than the WW2 US deployed military required, but a portion of that is also going to alleviate the UK's shipping shortages, and other locales so...Could present a problem?
Actually hadn't thought about how much difference the lack of mass US-deployment probably makes to logistics concerns, actually. So...Uh...Maybe this was pointless.
 
A problem is that most modern people flat out don't know or worse refuse to believe the Communist genocides happened.

Refuse to believe and even say that the USA is not so different due to the Industrial Revolution having lots of people die during work

Then again, did the USA abduct or threaten most of its citizens into a job they didn’t sign up for or produce goods that they barely got paid for

Hollywood is probably also to blame for this, I mean people believe it depicted RL to varying degrees, barely see any movies depicting communist Russia as a hellhole, mostly they like the sexy super spies from there

People maybe conditioned in such a way that even if they go see the problems of Communism themselves, they will either deny it or refuse it exists, and even before seeing it for themselves they would still laud it

I think KGB did some infiltration and are now shocked how effective it was long after their fall
 
Whew. That's a lot of ground to cover. Just to forward to folks and write it to get it down (and accepting all of these have the hanging 'Final Countdown' debate over whether active intervention or not is a good idea)...

-USSR: Stalin is going to go full paranoic again, and with the US nuclear program and others that were under Soviet observation and infiltration gone...Well, the information-gathering side of things is going to have to be reformed from modern folks sympathetic to the guy. And even the vast majority of leftists in the US are hostile to 'tankies' of whom Uncle Joe is the premier example. This is one that might be 'Operation Unthinkable is going to have to be a thing' as a situation, in the name of not abandoning half of Europe to the folks, a laughably absurd difference in military capability, and the fact that it's quite plausible Stalin would try something himself in an attempt to win Europe in a fait accompli before the new-America can settle on any course of action (none of which really are good for the Soviets). Especially since the US is going to have modern forces popping up in Soviet-occupied Poland and Hungary that would probably experience a shitshow of someone's making.

-China: The other big-name flareup. The US is going to be in a position to do something about the ongoing civil war and have the prospective of saving literally millions of lives lost from war, famine, and the like. But supporting Mao is...unlikely...and Kai-Sheck is not a good alternative by any means. And with the host of other shit to do, trying to logistically support some kind of 'humanitarian' expedition seems like it'd be a stretch (and violate that old maxim against a land-war in Asia).

-Korea: Actually might sort out well? The US deployment on the DMZ is larger than the US forces there in 1945, and thus should be able take over for the Japanese occupation more quickly and effectively, would presumably have a good bit of experience in Korean language and customs at least (if not outdated...or...indated? future-dated?), and would probably be more helpful and accepting of the Provisional Korean government than Hodge was (and a quicker tossing-out of Japanese might help with the civil unrest). Best-case, the division never really takes hold and the peninsula as a whole organizes a government under UN (sans USSRY likely) observation/endorsement in '46 or '47 since Soviet propping-up of the northern sections never has a chance to take hold.

-Japan: Also might sort well...maybe? US military in Osaka might be able to 'take over' as far as occupation goes, at least temporarily, and continue with trials and the like for Japanese war criminals--and shit like the Unit 731 pardons can be avoided. On the other hand...Japanese occupation took more than 300,000 soldiers and a quick internet check says modern US deployment amounts to only ~50,000. That's quite a difference, but maybe modern technology can make up for it?

-Middle East: 'Shitshow' comes to mind? Little Soviet stuff to be concerned with, but the US has penny-packet deployments in a half-dozen ME states, and that'll be a mess most likely and...I just now think of the matter of war stock being held in other countries. If that goes back in time as well because it's technically AMerican, the Saudis, Norway, and Israel at least (I don't know where else there are similar storage sites) are going to find themselves awash in suddenly-existing bunkers that are packed with modern military equipment. That's a wrinkle for folks to consider.

-South America: This one seems like it's going to need a mass humanitarian/aid/development package? US draws on a lot of materials in SA for stuff--bauxite and Bolivia being the stereotypical example that comes to mind--and letting things slide with preexisting caudillos or installing new ones isn't going to attract much popular support in the US. Seems like there'd be a public outcry for some actual good-faith aid and assistance in the region rather than the meddling-about the US engaged in (to put things lightly) through the period.
I should probably clarify this point to save confusion later on, the entirety of those bases come back with them. Even any foreign troops that happen to occupy the base as well. However if we have troops or equipment in a country where we don't have a base, it gets teleported back to the mainland. So this means those weapon stocks in Norway come along for the ride. Same goes for our embassies.
 
I should probably clarify this point to save confusion later on, the entirety of those bases come back with them. Even any foreign troops that happen to occupy the base as well. However if we have troops or equipment in a country where we don't have a base, it gets teleported back to the mainland. So this means those weapon stocks in Norway come along for the ride. Same goes for our embassies.

Sounds like the fic Hear Me Roar, where Westerlander armies, nobles and even distant merchants all pop up back in the Westerlands(Cersei and the incest kids included alongside the corpse and ship of Gerion Lannister)
 
The more rabid members of the Demorats will probably call for the dissolution of Germany and genocide of every german.

They will go to Germany to personally “Punch A Nazi” for “tourism”

They will also likely deliver as many data, tech, information, and other critical stuff as possible to the UdSSR because "muh communism".

Maybe not the USSR given that I’ve seen even guys who lean Left think Stalin was an asshole and wish Lenin was around instead

Probably gonna give it to other Communist powers and leaders they barely know about to begin with
 
They will go to Germany to personally “Punch A Nazi” for “tourism”
Not a chance. Look, you have to understand.

They don't think whats going on is any different. They think that cops are literally murdering black people as part of a genocide. They think the holding facilities we put illegals in are literally the same as the Nazi death camps. They think Trump is literally as bad as hitler, and going to get us all killed.

And they do nothing. Sometimes they throw a tantrum in an american city, as allowed by law. They pick a couple of fights. They assault a couple of people.
No armed insurrection, no mass bombing campaign, nothing. These people are cowards.

Everyone in america who believes the party line of the democrats is a coward who would have done nothing to stop any historical genocide. They would have watched their neighbors dragged out of their houses one at a time, privately shook their fists at how horrible it all is, and gone back to hoping they weren't the next one.


Also, it's not like america would be sending commercial flights overseas.


Maybe not the USSR given that I’ve seen even guys who lean Left think Stalin was an asshole and wish Lenin was around instead
Probably gonna give it to other Communist powers and leaders they barely know about to begin with
"Giving information" doesnt require majority, or even popular support, it barely requires a plurality. Tankies exist, and they would do their absolute best to get information to Daddy Joe.
 
We murder Stalin, De Gaul and basically every world leader that has ever remotely annoyed us with drone strikes. We also probably purge internally before going full Empire because A) time travel will freak everyone out
B) food disruptions
And
C) Short term gas shortage, plus a complete fucking of all our satellite networks

Actually as of this year the United States is fully self sufficient in terms of oil and gas. Infact we even started to become an exporter of oil. So we're covered there.

Sounds like the fic Hear Me Roar, where Westerlander armies, nobles and even distant merchants all pop up back in the Westerlands(Cersei and the incest kids included alongside the corpse and ship of Gerion Lannister)

Can you PM that fic please?
 
Not a chance. Look, you have to understand.

They don't think whats going on is any different. They think that cops are literally murdering black people as part of a genocide. They think the holding facilities we put illegals in are literally the same as the Nazi death camps. They think Trump is literally as bad as hitler, and going to get us all killed.

And they do nothing. Sometimes they throw a tantrum in an american city, as allowed by law. They pick a couple of fights. They assault a couple of people.
No armed insurrection, no mass bombing campaign, nothing. These people are cowards.

Everyone in america who believes the party line of the democrats is a coward who would have done nothing to stop any historical genocide. They would have watched their neighbors dragged out of their houses one at a time, privately shook their fists at how horrible it all is, and gone back to hoping they weren't the next one.


Also, it's not like america would be sending commercial flights overseas.



"Giving information" doesnt require majority, or even popular support, it barely requires a plurality. Tankies exist, and they would do their absolute best to get information to Daddy Joe.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if we had to implement a complete travel ban because of those who would try and sell our nation out.
 

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