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United States 2nd Amendment Legal Cases and Law Discussion

Bear Ribs

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For the record, I'm of the opinion that guns should be stored in a safe rather than behind a can of tuna.
 

Urabrask Revealed

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Because new York Judges have never been executed for conspiracy against rights.

Yes, civil servants can be given the death penalty for violating your constitutional rights. Federal prosecutors just choose not to apply the law.
The rats as always cover for each other. Wonder what kind of precedent that would set tho, if some "civil" "servant" got executed for restriction of fundamental rights. Probably full-blown panic among the demorats as they protest the judgement and try to flee the nation.
 

bullethead

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The guy who won in the Supreme Court is now suing Washington DC again:
10. Imagine were the District to ban the act of publishing one’s own words. Would this court not see such a law as utterly invalid under any standard of review? Can there be any justification for an outright prohibition on the manufacture of a firearm, a Constitutionally protected item? Indeed, how can there be a right to keep and bear arms, if there’s no right to make an arm in the first place? This case presents that issue for this court’s consideration.

11. The District, knowing full well where the battle lines lay, recently supplemented its ban on making a gun, by prohibiting even the import and possession of parts necessary for the Case 1:21-cv-02376 Document 1 Filed 09/08/21 Page 5 of 41 6 manufacture of a firearm by outlawing what it pejoratively calls “Ghost Guns.” Never missing an opportunity for erroneously defining firearms terminology, the District legislation in question is so poorly thought out and written that the City Council has managed to criminalize the possession of a vast array of popular, common handguns that it regularly allows residents to register, including the very handgun it issues to its police officers. Accordingly, this so-called “Ghost Gun” prohibition is hopelessly flawed and must be found invalid under the Second and Fifth Amendments.

Hopefully, the Supreme Court will pick up more of the gun cases in its docket and wind up making this lawsuit moot, but if they don't, odds are good that we'll get another big case down the line.
 

bullethead

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Apparently, the US military justice system doesn't consider bump stocks to be machine guns:

twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1436396893647609859
NEW: Navy-Marine Corps Court of Criminal Appeals dismisses charge for possessing a bump stock, saying that the devices "do not come within the statutory definition of a machine gun" and that the rule of lenity applies.


I bet this is going to be mentioned in a lot of amicus briefs.
 

Zachowon

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Apparently, the US military justice system doesn't consider bump stocks to be machine guns:

twitter.com/2Aupdates/status/1436396893647609859
NEW: Navy-Marine Corps Court of Criminal Appeals dismisses charge for possessing a bump stock, saying that the devices "do not come within the statutory definition of a machine gun" and that the rule of lenity applies.


I bet this is going to be mentioned in a lot of amicus briefs.

Almost like the US Military actually knows what a Machine Gun is.....
Almost like we have at least....10 between all the branches
 

ShadowArxxy

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Almost like the US Military actually knows what a Machine Gun is.....
Almost like we have at least....10 between all the branches

To be fair, the military definition of a machine gun is rather more specific than the civilian one, since the military is interested in the functional/tactical role of a weapon built to deliver sustained full automatic fire, versus "any weapon that even burst fires is a machine gun".

As to the case, it's not as sweeping as it sounds from summary, because the actual judgement of the military court is simply that *because* the Trump Administration chose to implement the bump stock ban via ATF finding rather than law and because the subsequent legal precedents challenging it were not consistently resolved, its legal status is ambiguous and the rule of lenity applies to give the defendant the benefit of that ambiguity, *especially* since the defendant is in fact guilty of all the other offenses charged and finding for him on this one charge is not a major change to the disposition of the case.
 

Zachowon

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To be fair, the military definition of a machine gun is rather more specific than the civilian one, since the military is interested in the functional/tactical role of a weapon built to deliver sustained full automatic fire, versus "any weapon that even burst fires is a machine gun".

As to the case, it's not as sweeping as it sounds from summary, because the actual judgement of the military court is simply that *because* the Trump Administration chose to implement the bump stock ban via ATF finding rather than law and because the subsequent legal precedents challenging it were not consistently resolved, its legal status is ambiguous and the rule of lenity applies to give the defendant the benefit of that ambiguity, *especially* since the defendant is in fact guilty of all the other offenses charged and finding for him on this one charge is not a major change to the disposition of the case.
I don't care about the law.
Just saying the militaryknow what a Machine gun is
 

bullethead

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So, the New York gun law case in the Supreme Court has been scheduled for November 3, assuming New York doesn't lose it automatically for fucking up the filing of their brief.

Also, here's the Democrats' latest move: attempting to strip Section 230 protections from online gun shops and sites with 3D printed gun files:
 

bullethead

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Illinois Supreme Court rules against an ammo and gun tax:
BREAKING: Guns Save Life v. Ali (IL Supreme Court): Illinois Supreme Court strikes down Cook County's gun and ammunition taxes, ruling 6-0 that they violate the state Constitution's uniformity clause.

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Justice Michael Burke concurs, saying that "the majority’s analysis wrongly leaves the door open for a municipality to enact a future tax on firearms or ammunition that is more narrowly tailored" which he believes "would still violate the Illinois Constitution."
 

bullethead

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Tomorrow's the big Supreme Court gun case against New York. If you're interested in hearing either the arguments or people arguing over the arguments made in court, The Truth About Guns has you covered:
 

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