AHC: Have Japan Surrender before Germany does in WWII

[ThatZenoGuy]

Except those belonging to USA,which never get targeted.

But,as i mentioned earlier,as long as Hitler lived more factories do not mean more useful stuff,but stupid things like Mouse or V2.
Well,V2 was good for future satellites,but as weapon it was joke.Just like V1.
Even sensible ones,like Me 262,was partially ruined by Hitler,who want turn it into bomber....

But,it would be funny TL,with germans using Mouse and other shitty weapons.

Hitler messed up a bunch of projects but you're exaggerating. Come on now...
262, even if everything went according to plan, would've been limited by jet engine production as while it was MASSIVELY streamlined within a short amount of time, was still exceedingly difficult for Germany due to a lack in factories, resources, and manpower.

 

[ATP]

Hitler messed up a bunch of projects but you're exaggerating. Come on now...
262, even if everything went according to plan, would've been limited by jet engine production as while it was MASSIVELY streamlined within a short amount of time, was still exceedingly difficult for Germany due to a lack in factories, resources, and manpower.

And still Hitler turning it into bomber fucked it even more.
Not only that - in Guderian memories i read,that Hetzer could be produced earlier,if Hitler do not sabotaget it.

So,as long as he lead germans,soviet even without Lend-lease would hold between Don and Wolga,or,if he made something very stupid,Don and Dniepr.
Till we get muschrooms in Berlin.

Much better world,with normal Europe,germans properly punished for their crimes,and weak soviets.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

And still Hitler turning it into bomber fucked it even more.
Not only that - in Guderian memories i read,that Hetzer could be produced earlier,if Hitler do not sabotaget it.

So,as long as he lead germans,soviet even without Lend-lease would hold between Don and Wolga,or,if he made something very stupid,Don and Dniepr.
Till we get muschrooms in Berlin.

Much better world,with normal Europe,germans properly punished for their crimes,and weak soviets.

I am not aware of any meddling by Hitler in regards to the Hetzer, there's really not much you can meddle with, as the tank was intended only to be built on lines which no other tanks could be built. Namely those in the Czech regions which were incapable of building even StuG's.

 

[ATP]

I am not aware of any meddling by Hitler in regards to the Hetzer, there's really not much you can meddle with, as the tank was intended only to be built on lines which no other tanks could be built. Namely those in the Czech regions which were incapable of building even StuG's.

Guderian blamed on Hitler fact,that it was not made earlier.
Maybe he was wrong,or try to defend his own mistakes.

But even if Hitler do notching there,he certainly wonted Maus and Rats mass produced,and turning Me262 into bomber.
Not mention wasting money on V1 and V2.

Here,with more money,all germans get would be Maus,V2,and maybe its bigger version for targeting USA.
Few dyvisions of AmericanBombers,too

End result - maybe additional 10k british cyvilians dead,and 1000 of american killed in NY.

Becouse,sadly for germans,Hitler was REALLY talented in wasting german money....

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Not mention wasting money on V1 and V2.

The V1 was an ultimate-win for Germany, the allied response to counter them cost more than the actual V1 program.
V2 on the otherhand was not counterable, and thus the allied response was...0, making it a complete and utter waste of time for Germany.

 

[ATP]

The V1 was an ultimate-win for Germany, the allied response to counter them cost more than the actual V1 program.
V2 on the otherhand was not counterable, and thus the allied response was...0, making it a complete and utter waste of time for Germany.

Both was proof,that thanks to Hitler stupidity germans wasted resources which could they use to defend themselves.

Which,in our scenario,mean that germans would fight in soviets till 1945,when USA drop A bomb on them.
Which they could create if they used resources wasted on V weapons,but germans do not belived in "jewish science" ...

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Which they could create if they used resources wasted on V weapons,but germans do not belived in "jewish science" ...

That basically only effected nuclear development, and Germany barely had the industry to make a single nuke if they wanted to. Even the soviets with all of their industrial might required several years into postwar to make one.

 

[mspence]

All of the carriers are relocated to San Diego in anticpation of an attack against Pearl Harbor. the attack still happens but is far less successful for the Japanese as a result.
Italy loses earlier (not too implausible given Mussolini's incompetence)
Faced with an invasion from occupied Italy in 1943/44 Hitler is forced to abandon Kursk as mentioned above.
Hirohito sees the writing on the wall and attempts to reach out personally to the allies for som sort of ceasefire but his plans are discovered by an enraged Tojo who tries to engineer a military coup a la 1945. The coup forces the acelleration of the Manhattan Project & the bomb is dropped a year earlier. Hirohito is restored & sues for peace. Hitler, being Hitler, vows to fight on until he himself is overthrown in a later (?) version of Operation Valkyrie.

 

[ATP]

That basically only effected nuclear development, and Germany barely had the industry to make a single nuke if they wanted to. Even the soviets with all of their industrial might required several years into postwar to make one.

Nope,soviets do not have right scientists,germans had.If they poured their money into A bomb,they would build few till 1945.
Possible,if they do not waste it on V weapons and superheavy tanks.

All of the carriers are relocated to San Diego in anticpation of an attack against Pearl Harbor. the attack still happens but is far less successful for the Japanese as a result.
Italy loses earlier (not too implausible given Mussolini's incompetence)
Faced with an invasion from occupied Italy in 1943/44 Hitler is forced to abandon Kursk as mentioned above.
Hirohito sees the writing on the wall and attempts to reach out personally to the allies for som sort of ceasefire but his plans are discovered by an enraged Tojo who tries to engineer a military coup a la 1945. The coup forces the acelleration of the Manhattan Project & the bomb is dropped a year earlier. Hirohito is restored & sues for peace. Hitler, being Hitler, vows to fight on until he himself is overthrown in a later (?) version of Operation Valkyrie.

Plausible,but :
1.Americans do not lost any carrier in 1941 anyway.
2.Brits could take Africa in early 1941 if they do not send troops to Greece,and invade Italy in 1942.
3.No Kursk - soviet advance is stopped on Dniepr.Unless Hitler fuck it,too.
4.Hitler would probably eat muschroom in this scenario,not get removed.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Nope,soviets do not have right scientists,germans had.If they poured their money into A bomb,they would build few till 1945.
Possible,if they do not waste it on V weapons and superheavy tanks.

XD I literally said the Soviets needed until postwar to make one. *pet*

The Germans had the brains, but there's more than brains to it, you need the right materials, time, money, etc.
Germany didn't need a handful of nuclear weapons that wouldn't have ended the war, they needed men, oil, and conventional weapons en'masse.
Outside of some seriously hardcore 1910's breeding competitions, Germany wasn't getting more of the first.

 

[ATP]

XD I literally said the Soviets needed until postwar to make one. *pet*

The Germans had the brains, but there's more than brains to it, you need the right materials, time, money, etc.
Germany didn't need a handful of nuclear weapons that wouldn't have ended the war, they needed men, oil, and conventional weapons en'masse.
Outside of some seriously hardcore 1910's breeding competitions, Germany wasn't getting more of the first.

Not able to mass-produce it like USA- agree.
But they could made and use 2-3 of them.
If they drop one on Moscov,enough to implode soviets,becouse everybody there would start killing each other to become next sralin.
It would not change anytching on West,becouse even if germans burn London and Washington,Allies would not implode,and USA would turn germany into atomic graveyard.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Not able to mass-produce it like USA- agree.
But they could made and use 2-3 of them.
If they drop one on Moscov,enough to implode soviets,becouse everybody there would start killing each other to become next sralin.
It would not change anytching on West,becouse even if germans burn London and Washington,Allies would not implode,and USA would turn germany into atomic graveyard.

You propose Germany will get a nuke up and running before they're on the backfoot in Russia? Like...1943? America couldn't handle it till 45 with far more resources.

 

[ATP]

You propose Germany will get a nuke up and running before they're on the backfoot in Russia? Like...1943? America couldn't handle it till 45 with far more resources.

No,in 1944 and later 1945.Soviet collapse would gave them few more months.