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[ThatZenoGuy]

Truly schizo tech. For example there are fission batteries as well. The NCR needed electricity but a hard to come by super fusion device isn't the answer. The NCR would do well to research the numerous pieces of nuclear technology that they already have.

Producing it in house is leagues better than a single plant that's a severe security flaw. Sawyer confirmed that the BoS already shagged their gold supply didn't they? During the BoS-NCR war? This is just history repeating itself.

Yeah FO4 kinda shat the bed for the lore, revealing every second house has an infinite-energy fusion core in it. X_X

 

[Scooby Doo]

Vault doors need codes to open, even if you have a pipboy. You're telling me they never changed the door code or, ya know, locked it to prevent other vault dwellers from discovering the truth?

A lil contrived.

No?
They presumed Lucy's mom died in a nuke, there were really no other dwellers that could have accessed the Vault.

I mean the fact the pipboy survived is a bigger plot hole tbh 🤷

Truly schizo tech. For example there are fission batteries as well. The NCR needed electricity but a hard to come by super fusion device isn't the answer. The NCR would do well to research the numerous pieces of nuclear technology that they already have.

Still relies on Uranium to still power it though, where is NCR getting enough Uranium to power multiple cities

Producing it in house is leagues better than a single plant that's a severe security flaw. Sawyer confirmed that the BoS already shagged their gold supply didn't they? During the BoS-NCR war? This is just history repeating itself.

Producing is better but its not going to give them immediate short term benefits, it'll take the NCR decades to built up everything that you said.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Still relies on Uranium to still power it though, where is NCR getting enough Uranium to power multiple cities

??? The huge uranium mines they have?

 

[Warmaster]

Still relies on Uranium to still power it though, where is NCR getting enough Uranium to power multiple cities

Its fusion... oh boy. Massive misconception. Please research fusion. Even a basic synopsis on materials it can use is pretty handy. Uranium isn't the only one and its in no way limited like fission.

IIRC The IAEA has a basic guide floating on the internet.

Producing is better but its not going to give them immediate short term benefits, it'll take the NCR decades to built up everything that you said.

Technically speaking it would. Considering they would still have to build up a whole infrastructure industry, repair electrical systems and convince the other split states to support a big fusion plant when they already have left over micro-fusion remnants.

In Fallout its a bit of a plot hole that they don't do desalination but I figure they just haven't properly figured out micro-fusion in the NCR. Other than the remnants they have.

 

[Scooby Doo]

??? The huge uranium mines they have?

The uranium mines that were mostly depleted pre war?

Its fusion... oh boy. Massive misconception. Please research fusion. Even a basic synopsis on materials it can use is pretty handy. Uranium isn't the only one and its in no way limited like fission.

IIRC The IAEA has a basic guide floating on the internet.

Fallout used specifically Uranium though, if you want to be accurate to the lore you got to actually use what's canon and not fan fiction 🤷

Even then where would the NCR get this knowledge from and how much trained personnel would they have to renovate their industry to do that on the scale you're arguing for?

Technically speaking it would. Considering they would still have to build up a whole infrastructure industry, repair electrical systems and convince the other split states to support a big fusion plant when they already have left over micro-fusion remnants.

Riiiiight, they're gonna build a fusion plant in a few years when it took them months just to figure out how to turn on Helios 1.

Sure....

In Fallout its a bit of a plot hole that they don't do desalination but I figure they just haven't properly figured out micro-fusion in the NCR. Other than the remnants they have.

In Fallout the NCR don't have millions of professionals or anything even hundreds of thousands.

The population of the NCR is 700,000. Assuming 4.9% of the population are engineers (Similar ratio to the US and extremely generous rate) that's some 36,000 personnel spread across several cities.

To put that into perspective that's less engineers to run a city like New York, the NCR Engineer and Scientist ratio collectively would be equivalent to a small state at best and they're still building up basic infrastructure and suffering from resource issues by New Vegas.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The uranium mines that were mostly depleted pre war?

Good thing there's not remotely as many people in the wasteland compared to pre-war. Also as far as I am aware of there was no shortage of uranium in pre-war conditions, hence why nuclear was so popular.

Also, infinite energy fusion cores all over the place, woo!

 

[Scooby Doo]

Good thing there's not remotely as many people in the wasteland compared to pre-war. Also as far as I am aware of there was no shortage of uranium in pre-war conditions, hence why nuclear was so popular.

There were shortages of every resource this is mentioned in your Precious Fallout 1. Lol

Infact the Uranium reserves are so low post war one of the major Uranium mines that powered two towns ran out of Uranium in under forty years. Again mentioned in your precious Fallout 2 lore

Also, infinite energy fusion cores all over the place, woo!

Infinite fusion cores in the East Coast, they seem to be more limited on the West Coast unless you want to use Bethesda canon 😏

 

[Warmaster]

Fallout used specifically Uranium though, if you want to be accurate to the lore you got to actually use what's canon and not fan fiction 🤷

Man I'm not even interested in the topic anymore. This is just stupid beyond belief.

Fallout used Uranium... but its not the only nuclear material out there... my god. Its not fanfiction to read about what other materials fission and fusion can use. Its an actual real life science.

I even directed you to a potential educational source. The International Atomic Energy Agency isn't a fanfic source.

Please. Just research what you say. No where in Fallout does it mention all the other nuclear elements not exist. Or weren't used. And the elements Fusion can use are abundant. Fission can't use them hence why Fusion is such a game changer.

Riiiiight, they're gonna build a fusion plant in a few years when it took them months just to figure out how to turn on Helios 1.

Sure....

Replay Fallout New Vegas and tell me what the options were to which regions to send the power towards. (I can't even tell if you were arguing for my point or against it as this point.)

A big plant isn't the only solution. As the show proved it was a security flaw. Micro-fusion is preferable.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Man I'm not even interested in the topic anymore. This is just stupid beyond belief.

Fallout used Uranium... but its not the only nuclear material out there... my god. Its not fanfiction to read about what other materials fission and fusion can use. Its an actual real life science.

I even directed you to a potential educational source. The International Atomic Energy Agency isn't a fanfic source.

Please. Just research what you say. No where in Fallout does it mention all the other nuclear elements not exist. And the elements Fusion can use are abundant. Fission can't use them hence why Fusion is such a game changer.

Trying to apply real life sciences while ignoring that the only resource that's mentioned in your infallible Obsidian lore IS uranium this is made as a big issue in Fallout 2 and why bunker hills was rich as fuck because of the high demand.

If there were effective alternatives significantly more common and easy access then the towns including one made of Vault Dwellers wouldn't need to trade.

You're trying to act smart and sassy but the fact is you're arguing for something that breaks the lore more than Bethesda ever has.

Replay Fallout New Vegas and tell me what the options were to which regions to send the power towards.

Pretty much all of New Vegas was its range

Which I don't see why it's necessary to point out, if they couldn't figure out how to fix something that covered the range of a city after months what makes you think they can start creating their own power plants?


95% of Hoover Dam's electricity gets sent to the NCR

Courier: "I'd like to know more about the NCR."
Dennis Crocker: "I can provide a quick history lesson, if that's what you're looking for. In 2274, President Kimball sent the NCR army into the Mojave in force, with the objective of occupying and repairing Hoover Dam. Rangers and army scouts had confirmed that the dam was basically unoccupied and could be restored to an operable condition. Upon arriving at the dam, however, they discovered that a large force of tribals and robots had occupied it. This was our introduction to the Three Families, the Securitrons, and, of course, Mr. House. Using his Securitrons as intermediaries, Mr. House called for parlay. He claimed his forces had occupied Hoover Dam in order to safeguard it for our arrival. And that he was ready to turn it over to us, so long as we could agree to terms. Those terms became the Treaty of New Vegas. The Treaty recognized Mr. House's sovereignty over the Strip and granted us rights to establish military bases at the Dam and McCarran Airport. The NCR is legally permitted to send 95% of the electricity produced by the dam to our home states.

Which is 3.8 billion kilowatt hours a year. If the NCR was able to create a nuclear reactor the same standard as US their average reactor would be producing the same amount as Hoover Dam if not MORE.

Yet Hoover Dam is confirmed to provide a significant percentage of the water and electricity the NCR get

Fallout: New Vegas Official Game Guide Collector's Edition p. 458: "Controversy over the Vegas Frontier
The NCR spread east into Nevada in large numbers just five years ago on a 'humanitarian mission' to 'bring the light of civilization to the savage wastes of the Mojave.' Hoover Dam was the symbol of the expedition-reports from the Followers of the Apocalypse had confirmed that it was still intact as early as 2170-and its occupation by NCR troops in 2274 was a celebrated event. Even more exciting was the restarting of the dam's hydroelectric plant eleven months later, which dramatically improved the access of many NCR citizens to electricity and water.

So it confirms the NCR doesn't have the ability to create Nuclear reactors even after several years or even decades.

A big plant isn't the only solution. As the show proved it was a security flaw. Micro-fusion is preferable.

It's not the only solution and it was never touted as such, it was the immediate solution. Are we going to ignore the same device power as far as the eye can see and took Moldavor less space and resources to create than a nuclear reactor would?

It takes 5,000 construction workers and 6-8 years to build a power plant and that's assuming the NCR had the resources and professionals needed to built it.


In comparison Moldavor needed less than a hundred people to provide power to an entire city. It's not the solution but you treat the macguffin like it's some filthy rag that the glorious Uber mensh NCR should be too disgusted to touch.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

There were shortages of every resource this is mentioned in your Precious Fallout 1. Lol

Infact the Uranium reserves are so low post war one of the major Uranium mines that powered two towns ran out of Uranium in under forty years. Again mentioned in your precious Fallout 2 lore


Infinite fusion cores in the East Coast, they seem to be more limited on the West Coast unless you want to use Bethesda canon 😏

Nuclear materials are some of the most common and long-lasting resources we have access to. If they're using nuclear power of any sorts, they're not going to run out for at least a thousand years.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Nuclear materials are some of the most common and long-lasting resources we have access to. If they're using nuclear power of any sorts, they're not going to run out for at least a thousand years.

Except they did, ever heard of Bunker Hill from Fallout 2.

Ran out of Uranium is less than forty years just from supplying two towns.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Except they did, ever heard of Bunker Hill from Fallout 2.

Ran out of Uranium is less than forty years just from supplying two towns.

Evidently there wasn't much left in the mine to start with, which isn't a surprise given pre-war resource harvesting efforts.
You're under the impression they can't dig up more mines?

 

[Scooby Doo]

Evidently there wasn't much left in the mine to start with, which isn't a surprise given pre-war resource harvesting efforts.
You're under the impression they can't dig up more mines?

I'm under the impression that the Fallout technology uses too much Uranium to keep up with the demand of a high population that's why the alternative techs were being developed (Matter Replicators/Cold Fusion gizmo)

If two towns numbering a few hundred to low thousands is enough to deplete Uranium reserves within a generation or two than the macguffin is really more useful than scrounging and building power plants will ever be.

It'd take NCR years to find an appropriate reserve that was worth digging and it's up in the air realistically if it could keep up with the high demands of their population, then there's sustainability what will the NCR do once they run out of Uranium in their core territory? 250 something miles is the stretch of their logistics and New Vegas probably doesn't have enough Uranium to last a year or two.

Then there's the Legion territory which wouldn't have anything, the NCR realistically fucked themselves over by not improving their logistical ability.

 

[Warmaster]

Trying to apply real life sciences while ignoring that the only resource that's mentioned in your infallible Obsidian lore IS uranium this is made as a big issue in Fallout 2 and why bunker hills was rich as fuck because of the high demand.

If there were effective alternatives significantly more common and easy access then the towns including one made of Vault Dwellers wouldn't need to trade.

You're trying to act smart and sassy but the fact is you're arguing for something that breaks the lore more than Bethesda ever has.

No it... my god dude.

You are ignoring several elements. Fallout not mentioning them doesn't equate to them not existing. This isn't me using my big brain to act smart and sassy.

You legit are putting forth that only Uranium can be used? Or that it only exists? Or that Fallout is incapable of using them? I cannot even begin to explain every way this is wrong.

There are even several types of Uranium. What about other materials such as Thorium? Plutonium? Helium 3? That's not a lore break. Its "the sky is blue". Show me a direct source saying only Uranium is the only source of nuclear power. Not it being used... it being the only one.

The reason why these materials cannot just be jammed into a fission/fusion reactor is because they require prep... just like Uranium. We have whole industries for this.

There are facilities for this. A faction needs to be technologically advanced to develop them. Nowhere does in the Fallout timeline split mention them not existing. Fallout writers just overuse Uranium or only mention it. Hell in Fallout 4 and 76 they don't name Uranium often. Its just nuclear materials.

I've never seen someone so scientifically wrong. Its mind boggling.

 

[Scooby Doo]

No it... my god dude.

You are ignoring several elements. Fallout not mentioning them doesn't equate to them not existing. This isn't me using my big brain to act smart and sassy.

You legit are putting forth that only Uranium can be used? Or that it only exists? Or that Fallout is incapable of using them? I cannot even begin to explain every way this is wrong.

There are even several types of Uranium. What about other materials such as Thorium? Plutonium? Helium 3? That's not a lore break. Its "the sky is blue". Show me a direct source saying only Uranium is the only source of nuclear power. Not it being used... it being the only one.

The reason why these materials cannot just be jammed into a fission/fusion reactor is because they require prep... just like Uranium. We have whole industries for this.

There are facilities for this. A faction needs to be technologically advanced to develop them. Nowhere does in the Fallout timeline split mention them not existing. Fallout writers just overuse Uranium or only mention it. Hell in Fallout 4 and 76 they don't name Uranium. Its just nuclear materials.

I've never seen someone so scientifically wrong. Its mind boggling.

So what I'm reading is you're ignoring the lore because it suits you?

You do know the reactors that power at least two towns is mentioned to use Uranium mined from Bunker Hill right?

The assumption is that ALL Uranium was consumed the lore in Fallout 2 never states the type of Uranium just a generalization of it

{159}{}{He said that, did he? Well, you tell him that the generator is uranium powered and that the miniscule amount of energy I require would barely register on the generator. And tell him I want my power!}

And Fallout 1. Doesn't mention the exact versions of Uranium just Uranium

Fallout intro: "In the 21st century, war was still waged over the resources that could be acquired. Only this time, the spoils of war were also its weapons: Petroleum and Uranium.

It's safe to say based on the generalizations in the lore you're ignoring that ANY Uranium is going to be in very short supply.

At least in contrast to a population in the hundreds of thousands and how hungry/inefficient Fallout technology is in using Uranium.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

You can't really make nuclear power 'hungry/inefficient'. It's sort of the reason why we like it, you can turn a tiny amount of material into enough power to run a city.

 

[Warmaster]

So what I'm reading is you're ignoring the lore because it suits you?

You do know the reactors that power at least two towns is mentioned to use Uranium mined from Bunker Hill right?

The assumption is that ALL Uranium was consumed the lore in Fallout 2 never states the type of Uranium just a generalization of it

And Fallout 1. Doesn't mention the exact versions of Uranium just Uranium

It's safe to say based on the generalizations in the lore you're ignoring that ANY Uranium is going to be in very short supply.

At least in contrast to a population in the hundreds of thousands and how hungry/inefficient Fallout technology is in using Uranium.

You are still comically wrong. And you ignored what I asked. I said give me a source of it being the only nuclear power source. Not it being used.

Uranium is an important resource. Such as oil. Its why when they started to run out it caused the Resource Wars. Which is why Fusion was a game changer. Obviously if you read what I said you would know why that is.

I'm not ignoring the lore. I did a basic study. When did the timeline split? Because I was unaware of it happening when nuclear materials were being formed on Earth. And how Fusion can only work with Uranium. What a take.

Since you are cherry picking sources I'll point to Bethesda lore since you love it so much. The hungry/inefficient Fallout technology lasts centuries. In all games.

Its called the developers aren't nuclear experts and are focused on the game... not the science. You get inconsistencies and aliens.

 

[Scooby Doo]

You can't really make nuclear power 'hungry/inefficient'. It's sort of the reason why we like it, you can turn a tiny amount of material into enough power to run a city.

Apparently not in the Fallout Universe, they go through the reserves quick.

{199}{hld30}{Why?! Now Vault City knows just how much we need uranium ore from Broken Hills. They could cut off them shipments and we'd be finished.}

Cutting off the supply that a town of a few hundred is enough to be considered a death sentence for their energy reserves.

Which is only possible if said town is burning through the energy reserves inefficiently.

This is OBSIDIAN lore btw.

 

[Scooby Doo]

You are still comically wrong. And you ignored what I asked. I said give me a source of it being the only nuclear power source. Not it being used.

Uranium is an important resource. Such as oil. Its why when they started to run out it caused the Resource Wars. Which is why Fusion was a game changer. Obviously if you read what I said you would know why that is.

I'm not ignoring the lore. I did a basic study. When did the timeline split? Because I was unaware of it happening when nuclear materials were being formed on Earth. And how only Fusion can work with Uranium. What a take.

Since you are cherry picking sources I'll point to Bethesda lore since you love it so much. The hungry/inefficient Fallout technology lasts centuries. In all games.

Its called the developers aren't nuclear experts and are focused on the game... not the science. You get inconsistencies and aliens.

It's mentioned in the fucking game YOUR precious Obsidian lore calls Nuclear materials Uranium. There are no alternatives mentioned in Obsidian canon, just Uranium, Uranium oh and guess what more Uranium?

But by all means if Uranium isn't the only one used provide me an example in the West Coast of a canonical alternative, I'll wait :V

Player Default: Where am I going to get that much nuclear material?

{Friendly} You're in luck.

Overseer: We chose this site for Vault 88 because our surveys indicate that there's a rich source of uranium deeper inside the caves.

{Nervous} The prototype requires a bit, well a lot... All right, a staggering quantity of radioactive material. But the results will be worth it.

{Confident} Don't fret about the nuclear material, by the by.

Overseer: We chose this site for Vault 88 because our surveys indicate that there's a rich source of uranium deeper inside the caves.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Apparently not in the Fallout Universe, they go through the reserves quick.

Cutting off the supply that a town of a few hundred is enough to be considered a death sentence for their energy reserves.

Which is only possible if said town is burning through the energy reserves inefficiently.

This is OBSIDIAN lore btw.

No, that's Interplay's lore, get your facts straight! Obsidian was comprised only of 'some' of the OG staff.

Also we see the reactor and it's in dismal shape, the chosen one can optimize it's output, and the plant itself is leaking radioactive water (that can't be good for it's efficiency).

It's also been operating or at least sitting around for over 200 years, so there's that too, and we have no idea on the quantity of ore given to the plant over the years.