Battletech An SI in the Concordat - GhostRider's Revenants (Battletech CYOA)Rev.2

Adventwolf

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The whole it is cheaper to get materials from space thing is actually not as true as people think. Especially with cheap space lift ability, it is almost always cheaper to mine from a planet than in space from asteroids. Since not only is it easier and safer to do it but there is also just so much more of it on a planet than in all the floating rocks that would be in any system as it is the leftover parts that failed to make planets only.
 

Rodon

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The whole it is cheaper to get materials from space thing is actually not as true as people think. Especially with cheap space lift ability, it is almost always cheaper to mine from a planet than in space from asteroids. Since not only is it easier and safer to do it but there is also just so much more of it on a planet than in all the floating rocks that would be in any system as it is the leftover parts that failed to make planets only.
Reposting from BattleTech since you posted the above there as well. With others refuting your comment.

Thing is that with BT level of tech, its easy to mine in space. Sure you'll have to provide habitation, but you would have to do that on a planet. We just call those buildings (and all their related infrastructure needs, like water). It becomes even more useful, when you realize that unlike on a planet, where you have to build new towns each time a mine is used up, in space you can simply push your already existing station around.

Economically, for BT you are actually encouraged to mine in space, since you spent all that time terra-forming the planet, you don't want to screw it up with mining pits leaching toxic metals into the local water table, killing off the animals you imported. The thing in BT is that nobles have a hard time controlling things not on a planet and feel threatened by stuff outside of their control.

Edit: adding to that moving the refined material around in space is easier. Since you just need to shove it in the direction you want it. So you only have to spend a fraction of the energy on moving it to the planetary orbit you want (depending on the energy spent, it can take a month to a year (if you want to go very cheap and just nudge it, which would make sense for low profit items like iron). Its not like the material is time sensitive.
 

paulobrito

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With the tech of BT, a single system has enough resources to sustain all the military of the SLDF, not even compared to the current numbers.
The cause of not being economic in the set is not technological, is because the industries/powers that benefit from the Earth explored resources and are threatened by the space explored ones, have access to the gov, and 'force' enough regulations and taxes that turn the space extraction less interesting.
Just the usual game of strangling economically your opponents.
Because is the gov of the Aurigan Province that is behind the extraction there, the space extraction and industries are booming there.
So, no limitations on resources or energy. The only hard limitations on what and how much they can build is their budget and the number of skilled people.
Also takes some time, because they are right now busy building/expanding the space infrastructures to take full advantage of said resources.
One of the few advantages of the Aurigan Civil War is that the forces that can fight against it, have been destroyed/weakened, been much easier for the ruling family to implement their ideas.
 

Adventwolf

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With the tech of BT, a single system has enough resources to sustain all the military of the SLDF, not even compared to the current numbers.
The cause of not being economic in the set is not technological, is because the industries/powers that benefit from the Earth explored resources and are threatened by the space explored ones, have access to the gov, and 'force' enough regulations and taxes that turn the space extraction less interesting.
Just the usual game of strangling economically your opponents.
Because is the gov of the Aurigan Province that is behind the extraction there, the space extraction and industries are booming there.
So, no limitations on resources or energy. The only hard limitations on what and how much they can build is their budget and the number of skilled people.
Also takes some time, because they are right now busy building/expanding the space infrastructures to take full advantage of said resources.
One of the few advantages of the Aurigan Civil War is that the forces that can fight against it, have been destroyed/weakened, been much easier for the ruling family to implement their ideas.
Except that same technology would make planet-based extraction even easier as well. Because the same things used in space would work just as well if not better on a planet. The idea that "Planet based" companies would stop space exploitation also doesn't make sense since they would be the same ones doing the work for both. There are very few that would only focus on the planet unless it was a small local company anyways that doesn't have the money or the demand to expand to space. Not to mention that again the resources in the belts aren't going to be that much compared to what is on planets.



And the fact that the TC one of the major players when it comes to mining from space to the point they built dedicated mining stations is somehow behind the Aurigans that haven't been doing this nearly as long. Maybe you can make a case for the other powers like the Great Houses not doing much space mining because they have a stupid amount of planets instead but the TC not doing it contradicts what is established. Also the old TH worlds "supposedly" don't actually have many resources left in them since that was one of the main reasons the SL was created. Nevermind that it would take a far longer time for resources to be depleted than what was told.
Reposting from BattleTech since you posted the above there as well. With others refuting your comment.
Yes I post in multiple places this is updated on for a reason. Getting more activity and interaction for the threads.
 
Chapter 108

paulobrito

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February 23rd, 3063


Aurigan Reach, Coromodir VI, Cordia City, Arano Palace, High Lady Accommodations



While our younger sons, Paul and Peter, were busy trying out the new versions of the Penetrator 5TC and Highlander 732b TC1, Kamea and I had a chat with Sara.


The Penetrator 5TC was a hybrid, the first 'Mech to use Clan tech produced at the Concordat - and that we knew of in the entire Inner Sphere, outside Outreach - if only partially, only the guns and Heat Sinks were Clan tech, everything else was IS tech, albeit of the more advanced version.


The armament was basically the same, with 2 ERLL and 6 MPL, but these being Clan tech, they had greater range and did more damage. The AMS had been replaced by an SPL (also Clan tech) but for the first time in a 'Mech, one able to have anti-missile capability. The DHS were also Clan tech, which allowed more to be deployed because they were more compact and the reduced weight and volume of the weapons allowed for more free room and weight.


The Guardian ECM had already been upgraded to an Angel ECM, the result of a collaboration between the Draconis Combine and the Taurian Concordat - more accurately, between Coromodir Heavy Industries and Chandrasekhar Kurita's Hachiman Taro Electronics.






Note: in the OTL, it was the result of collaboration between Draconis Combine and Comstar.


The Highlander, on the other hand, was a more modest upgrade, having only replaced the MLs with (Clan tech) ERML.


Note: The only Clan tech we are currently capable of producing are ER and Pulse Lasers and Heat Sinks.






'Mom, Dad, I understand that this is a political proposal and not one out of love, and as such I think we should discuss the situation. Antony Calderon has sent me a formal marriage proposal.'






Calmly I opened my wallet and passed a 50 Bulls bill to Kamea, who took it it with a smile.






'It was to be expected daughter' Kamea said, as Sara looked at us with an amazed look, 'since the attempt to economically strangle us failed, Edward is now trying to ensure that the next generation will be loyal to him. I'm just amazed it's taken so long.'


'And you have nothing against it?' asked Sara 'From a personal point of view I kind of like him, he's a good man, funny and cultured, easy on the eyes, but the reason is political not personal.'


'The options are to accept, and you will have to ensure that you maintain as much autonomy as possible - as we have done' I replied, 'or to refuse which will be considered like a declaration of war, for which we are not prepared. Not in the next 20 or 30 years, at least. And that would be going against all of our plans and ideas for the future anyway. Accepting is by far the best option, I'm glad you two are compatible.'


'Yep, you share a room when you've been together for at least 5 years' Kamea said with a twinkle in her eye at Sara's indignant look. ‘You two are not properly subtle or discreet about that over the years, at least, according to your security detail, which happens to be also working for me, if you had forgotten it.’


'Mom! Dad! How... never mind' Sara said with a now resigned look.



'Sara, don't forget that besides our daughter you are also the Heir-Designate - you are both in fact, keeping a watch on both of you is SOP' I replied calmly. ‘ I bet good money that Edward also knows almost everything about your relationship.’


‘Our objective isn’t to get independent again, but to grow and protect the Reach while being as autonomous / independent as possible. We are too small to survive alone, just look at the Duchy of Andurien. The result of the efforts of the last 30 years is that we have the best education of the Concordat, we are almost fully independent in the food, education, medical and industrial areas, but we still need to be part of the Concordat to survive against the big predatory nations that are some of our neighbors.’






'Now,' continued Kamea 'we have to study how you are going to maintain maximum autonomy. See if you agree with...'




In March 3063, production of Lee DropShips began on Coromodir V. A small group was however of Block 2 - only for the moment for the Aurigan Province forces, more specifically for the 1st Aurigan Guards / Revenants.






Lee Block 2


removed 200 tons of cargo space - now 767 tons.


The 8 ERLL are upgraded to Clan tech


The 26 ML are upgraded to Clan MPL - with the new AMS mode included


The 5 AC/20 replaced by LBX-20


Armor is upgraded to Improved Ferro-Aluminum Armor


Added 50 DHS.


Added 4 Arrow IV launchers - capable of launching SAM, AShM and all other variants.


It also has a brand new scaled up ECM unit - 50 tons, capable of denying lock to all kinds of missiles, from capital ones to Arrow IV, Alamos, LRMs and SRMs (Artemis and Streak included). This unit is in the final phase of tests to also be integrated in the Concordat WarShips.


The Lee Block 2 had much greater survivability, and an expanded ground support capability, but it was substantially more expensive than the already very costly original model.






After the two years of full production allocated to the Draconis Combine had past, we could now start to sell some of the Kuritan-designed Omnis (Avatar, Black-Hawk-KU, Owens, Raptor, Strider and Sunder) that we produced to the TDF and to use some for the Revenants. With these and the Marauder-II Omni, I created a 5th battalion of 'Mechs, pushing the unit to a full 200 'Mechs (5 reinforced battalions each with a command lance). About 50% of the vehicles were Leclercs (all fusion powered), which also gives us a massive flexibility upgrade. In the other 'Mech battalions of the unit, many of the 'Mechs were quietly upgraded with Clan weapons, when possible (ER and Pulse Lasers for now).
 

Crazyone47

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Isnt the the Taurian Concordat allow a lot of independence anyway?
I mean the Protector is asupposed to be the one in control of military matters and some economic I guess in theory.
In reality who knows what it is like
 

paulobrito

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Gives more autonomy than the CC or DC for sure, lol. In Lore, I really don't know, but you need to understand that the initial POD is in 3015, almost 50 years ago. Now, is a very different universe.
 

Rodon

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Lee Block 2

I have the feeling that the Block 2 is going to stay in small scale production due to orders by various groups. Chandrasekhar is likely to get one as a gift from the MC as a combination of "thank you good business partner" and advertising as he re-gifts it to a family member who will get more use out of it. In addition to FedCom and FWL.
 

paulobrito

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The Lee block 2 right now is only in very limited production - only for the expanded / brigade / RCT 1st Aurigan Guard aKA The Revenants.
Maybe latter is going to be offered to the Taurian Guards, and I sincerely doubt ever for export - too costly and too capable to be seen in foreign hands.

Let's be frank - carry a little more than the Overlord (40 mechs v 36) and costs a lot more. Is faster, better armored and armed, and can survive hits that can cripple an Overlord. But, at that cost, you can buy several dropships.
 

Rodon

Member
Maybe latter is going to be offered to the Taurian Guards, and I sincerely doubt ever for export - too costly and too capable to be seen in foreign hands.

That I can understand, I was expecting most of the House Lords to try and buy one for their heirs, but not for anyone else. It is likely way to expensive for even limited by the House armies use (flagship dropship for special units). Even for the The Revenants its more of a status thing ("see how rich we are"). The MC would have likely preferred to raise up a new mech regiment instead, but that would make TC feel threatened. So instead he gave his slightly expanded existing unit, better gear.
 
Chapter 109

paulobrito

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3063 was not a good year for military operations, at least from the point of view of the Taurian Concordat.


In April, the CCAF launched a final assault on Andurien, supported by the two Feng Huang Heavy Cruisers they had.


With a powerful escort of Pocket WarShips - which for the first time included 2 of a type never seen before, in the region of 25,000 tons – plus Assault DropShips and ASFs, they had no difficulty reaching orbit.


Although discreetly reinforced by the Concordat, the Magistracy and the Federated Commonwealth, there was little the Andurien forces could do against the CCAF, which not only used several Warrior Houses in this operation, but also a large number of advanced equipment, which until then had only been seen in WoB hands.


With the battle lost, the royal family tried to escape in extremis, to a Canopus JumpShip that was waiting at a pirate point, but their DropShip was destroyed by one of the big Capellan Pocket Warships, that not only showed an acceleration in excess of 5G, but was armed with a (spinal mount?) HNPPC. Observations, later shared by the Canopian JumpShip, that only escaped thanks to being equipped with a LF battery, reported that said ships also had 6 AR-10, 12 ASFs, and a robust conventional weapons suit.






Confirming that the WoB had settled into the Capellan Confederation, a TMI reconnaissance operation using Mryias and Orcas (both with LF) detected a previously unknown shipyard in a supposedly uninhabited system, 29.3 LY of Sian.


Two WarShips undergoing repairs were detected, a Baron (ex-SLDF Destroyer) and a Vincent (ex-SLDF Corvette), as well as several JumpShips receiving maintenance, including 2 Magellan.






In the Free Rasalhague Republic, a planned offensive to liberate Gunzburg from the Clans ended in a bloody battle in space, and the invasion/liberation was aborted.


It seemed that Clan Wolf had more WarShips present than reconnaissance had indicated and that they had a credible anti-ASF / anti-Missile defense together with OmniFighters equipped with ECM and AAMs, nullifying the advantage enjoyed by the Inner Sphere forces.


Also detected for the first time in use by the Clans was a pocket WarShip, based on an Overlord-C, equipped with 4 Barracuda tubes, which had been dedicated to attacking the larger ASFs.






As if that wasn't enough, news broke out that one of the Clans not previously involved in the invasion, Clan Goliath Scorpion, had begun invading the Outworlds Alliance. What was strange about this invasion was that they seemed to be using almost only second-line equipment, i.e. SLDF upgraded with modern systems, what were called IIC variants.


Consultations with the Wolf's Dragoons allowed the identification of the Rho Galaxy, usually acting as a garrison force, supported by only one WarShip, Potemkin class, the rest being JumpShips.


Desperate calls for help from the Outworlds Alliance reached Taurus, and it was decided to send a support force, consisting of the 1st Aurigan Guards (the Revenants), supported by 6 Pinto class WarShips. The reason of so many Pinto escorts, was that Mechdur alone built 4 each year, every year. Each Pinto had a Union CV so the number of ASFs of the expeditionary force was not bad. Unfortunately, better ships were already busy inside the Draconis Combine or occupied defending the Concordat.


With the marriage of Antony Calderon with my daughter Sara Arano-Bassot decided, the relations between both the ruling families had once again improved.






In the recent years, the new management of the Wolf's Dragoons (Mackenzie Wolf and Maeve Wolf) had lobbied long and hard for the Dragoons to be accepted in direct offensive operations against the Clans and not only assigned to training roles. That they could, in theory accept missions from the Capellan Confederation or any side of the ex-FWL, was well know, but they also knew that if they were to do that, they would be placed in a not contracting list by all the big players. And finally, they had the ban on anti-Clan operations lifted by mid 3063.






That coincided with the order by Edward to send the Revenants to the Outworlds Alliance, and I quickly secured the first WD contract, obtaining the services of the Wolf Spider Battalion to go with the Revenants. That the WDWS Alexander (Aegis class Cruiser), that had just finished its refit was also available was just perfect. I obtained the WD contract rather cheap and easily, because they needed to pay for the WarShip refit, and this contract was the perfect way to do so.






Note.: The Wolf Spider Battalion is a Battalion only in name. In reality it is a Clan Cluster unit, with about two thirds of the ’Mechs being Omnis, the rest fully equipped with Clan weapons and systems. The rest of the unit is made of OmniFighters, BattleArmor (Clan) and stealth PA(L)s in the case of the Seventh Kommando. They are transported in two heavily modified Overlords.





The reason of my actions was that the leader of one of the Revenants Mech battalions was my son Paul Arano-Bassot, going for the first time in harms way. A quick series of talks both with Edward and the TDF HQ solved any problems that my initiative might have had. That I paid the Wolf Dragoons bill, in good part sealed the deal with Taurus.






The Revenants only had 1 Lee, the first Block 2 produced, the rest of the DropShips were mostly smaller ones, because so few Overlords were produced in the Concordat.










At the last minute the Alexander also took 2 Leopard PW (the model with a spinal Naval Laser), because the Dragoons only had 2 of is 4 collars full with their units.


Unfortunately, the Aurigan Province and the Revenants didn’t have any Mriya, so the civilian JumpShips were almost all improved Leviathans (8 collars each).


My departing gift to Paul was my Mech (a modified Nightstar 9Jb), that received one last upgrade. Replacing both Medium Pulse Lasers with Clan ER Medium Lasers, provided free weight for an Angel ECM suit, and the Small Laser being replaced by a Clan Small Pulse Laser with AMS capability at the cost of half a ton of armor.
 

Crazyone47

Active member
Okay now I think the clans might find the Concordat a nice target.

And are there just skirmishes now or is the what is this war called now again against the Clans
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
I guess the Capellan biggie can only be built on pen and paper as programs don't support capital energy weapons on PWS. And honestly, PWSs with HPPC are really bad news for the receiving side. Also acceleration OVER 5G, does that mean it is a drone dropship, carrying drone ASF as well? I reckon Taurians should scale back their involvement on the Clan front now, with CC on the roll it is only a matter of time before they turn their eyes on them and MoC.

Clans have learned their painful lessons, the question is whether they did the refits at home or did they reactivate the Camelot Command.
 

paulobrito

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That Capellan PW is manned by the craziest of the WoB - the Manei Domini, aka cyborgs. Is the contribution of the blakists for this invasion. Expensive, maintenance-heavy, and can only be manned by cyborgs. The problem with that thing is that even a light warship like a Pinto can kill it easily. But, if no enemy warship is present, is a nightmare.
 
Chapter 110

paulobrito

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For Clan Scorpion Goliath the invasion of the Inner Sphere had been a strange experience.


Deeply in the Warden faction, and one of the smaller clans, they had not participated in either the first phase of the Invasion, or the call for reinforcements that had followed.


The defeat of the Smoke Jaguars in the Inner Sphere, and their subsequent Destruction / Absorption had been a wake-up moment for them: one of the most powerful and aggressive Clans had fallen.


Khan Ariel Suvurov also noted that Clans such as Clan Wolf and Clan Ghost Bear had managed to capture a large number of systems, partly in the Periphery, partly in the Inner Sphere, that added considerable population and resources to them.


The return of the defeated Jade Falcons forces, had saved the Clan from the same fate as the Smoke Jaguars, with Martha Pryde defeating attempts to absorb her Clan at the proverbial last moment.


In both cases, the battles had been incredibly hard fought, with a savagery only seen in the No-Named Clan Annihilation Trial. Clearly. the Invasion of the Inner Sphere had changed the mindset of the invading forces.


It was clear that within the HomeWorlds Clan systems, the Goliath Scorpions had no room to grow, and the Inner Sphere was a very risky area, where even powerful Clans had suffered heavy defeats. Sooner or latter, some bigger Clan would look at the Goliath Scorpions and try to absorb them.


That Clan Ghost Bear, Wolf, and Snow Raven were, even if It was in a stealthy way, relocating their populations to the conquered territories, a fact that the Clan Watch branch as detected, didn’t help them at all, because they were the strongest of the Clans “friendly” to the Goliath Scorpions.


Galaxy Commander Julian Kirov, after stating that he had had a vision of the Clan future, proposed an alternative: according to the information accumulated by both the Wolf’s Dragoons earlier, and the Watch during the current Invasion, there was a nation in the Periphery that had neither large forces nor WarShips - the Outworlds Alliance. All information reports pointed out that it was is a low industrialized nation, mostly inhabited by pacifists, which meant probably that the local resources were probably not exhausted.


The problem would be to launch the invasion undetected by the other Clans, which would otherwise react immediately and violently to this potential change in the overall equilibrium.


Again, Galaxy Commander Kirov had a proposal stating that his Rho Galaxy, would be enough for the operation, while the other forces would continue to protect the Clan enclaves. To camouflage the operation, some of their equipment would be replaced by stocks from the Brian Caches and the OmniMechs by IICs. To create the illusion that the Galaxy was still present, Kirov went so far as to propose that about a third of his forces should be replaced by Sholama units, with those remaining in Roche, being assigned the best equipment and ‘MechWarriors.


Against any other adversary, this plan would have been considered as a crazy one, but all available information indicated that the Outworlds Alliance was badly equipped and had few forces to confront the expedition. Because some reports showed the quality of the ASF squadrons of the OA, and because of the analysis of the conflicts in the invasion of the Inner Sphere, the number of refitted ASFs sent with the expeditionary force was increased as much as possible.


To avoid detection, and since the Alliance had no WarShips and Clan has so few of them, only the CGS Prometheus (Potenkim class) would be used, accompanied by half a dozen JumpShips.


It was clearly a low-cost, high-risk proposal, and both Khan Ariel Suvurov and saKhan Nelson Elam, after studying the plan and meditating on it, supported the initiative.


One of the problems was that in order to avoid being detected by the other Clans, they could not use the HPG satellite network that linked the HomeWorlds to the Inner Sphere and since Clan Goliath Scorpion lacked the means to establish a dedicated network, this left the expedition without contact until a JumpShip could be deployed for the long return trip and report back.


The operation was carried out in the utmost secrecy, and apparently without any other Clan finding out, and about a year later they reached Antallos, on the border of the Outworlds Alliance, and a well-known center of piracy, one that even the Clans had heard about.


During the long voyage, Galaxy Commander Julian Kirov had worked hard to turn his force into a cohesive, well trained force. The techs had been busy using the store of parts and weapons to upgrade the SLDF ’Mechs to Royals or when possible even to IIC variants.


The occupation of the system went without incident as the pirates had nothing capable of stopping a WarShip, and in a stroke of luck, all the JumpShips present were captured in a two tier operation. While the Prometheus with 5 of the 6 JumpShips emerged at the Nadir position, quickly capturing all the JumpShips present there, the CGS Azur, a SLDF modified Tramp, (with LF and carrying 4 DropShips), emerged at same time at the Zenith location, launching one Sassanid, one Achilles and two Carrier and capturing the unfortunate JumpShips present. Adding to this auspicious start to operations, the local HPG was down for maintenance, which allowed the occupation of the system without any news escaping.


Because it was a pirate world, the Goliath Scorpions did not bother with Zellbrigen, and while they used “inferior” SLDF / IIC equipment, which was still superior to what the locals had, the quality of the combatants from both side was far from equal, with a clear advantage for the Clanners. Only the fact that there was no central government and so each and everyone of the city-states had to be captured, delayed the full conquest, but, two months later the planet was secured.


Analysis of the datacores of the captured JumpShips and interrogation of the (few) pirate leaders captured, lead to the discovery of Rezak’s Hole – a pirate controlled system 73.1 LY of Antallos. The Azur was sent with enough forces to deal with the pirates present.


That mission went without any incident, and thanks to the use of old SLDF records, a small cache, containing among other things, two lances of ’Mechs was also found on the system.


Now, the Goliath Scorpions controlled two systems in this area, and despite of not having a ‘Mech factory, they were capable of producing armor (but no FF), ammo (but no Streak nor Artemis IV) and myomers and they had access to several repair / maintenance facilities, that the local pirates had possessed, even if they were basic and in bad condition, but the Clan technicians managed to fully repair/ upgrade them.
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
A daring plan, but I doubt either DC or FC will be happy with a Clan settling between them, so even if they succeed initially they will be setting themselves for a long term failure.
Will they utilise Antallos to a greater extent, or just as a basic forward base?
 

paulobrito

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A daring plan, but I doubt either DC or FC will be happy with a Clan settling between them, so even if they succeed initially they will be setting themselves for a long term failure.
Will they utilise Antallos to a greater extent, or just as a basic forward base?
Still thinking about the possibilities.
 

Thors_Alumni

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It actually might be better for the clan to utilize Antallos as their main base and spend a few years building it and the other former Pirate world plus any others they might find into a proper clan holding and then attack the Outworlds league.
 

Bear Ribs

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Were I a clanner in that situation I think I'd beeline to go conquer Tortuga. It's quite distant from the Inner Sphere which provides some protection, it would appear to have at least some kind of shipyards given they can maintain their JumpShips that far from everybody else, they aren't particularly well equipped to fight back, the slave population is likely to fall in line easily once the ruling class suffers from a terminal case of lead poisoning, and their main problem is water filtration which technology the clans have access to.
 

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