Are there any other forums with a conservative lean where alternate history is discussed? If so, which ones?
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
This forum.
- Space Battles is North American leftwingers.
- Alternate history Is in a similar situation but tamer.
- Sufficient Velocity Is even worse than the two.
Sol Zagato
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Axishistory dot com exists, but
1. I have no idea about the politics
2. Appears to be a very slow forum
3. Has some of the same wankers I've seen on althist
1. I have no idea about the politics
2. Appears to be a very slow forum
3. Has some of the same wankers I've seen on althist
So, only this forum? Because I've tended to notice that I find in on right-wing forums better due to their greater amount of free speech. The Left is notorious for its cancel culture nowadays, unfortunately.
TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
So, only this forum? Because I've tended to notice that I find in on right-wing forums better due to their greater amount of free speech. The Left is notorious for its cancel culture nowadays, unfortunately.
What other forums? Because I found only this so far.
Chiron
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Axis History Forum has a new owner who has cracked down quite a bit on the wankers, told some troublesome mods to knock it off, removed mod status from others, re-admitted some banned folks upon review of their cases which in some cases were years old. Others he simply let them buy their way back in.
Its slowly improving there, but the reign of anarchy has left its mark on the place. Best moment of the new leadership was when Richard Anderson got dope slapped and reminded that he is an archivist, not a researcher at Dupuy Institute and his byline in a single book doesn't protect him. Which is refreshing as Dupuy Institute doesn't let him anywhere near the analytical product due to his lack of objectivity.
edgeworthy
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You could try the NavWeaps Forum.
Yes the politics sub-forum is a toxic cesspool, but there is a clear line between that and the more sensible sections.
Yes the politics sub-forum is a toxic cesspool, but there is a clear line between that and the more sensible sections.
What does the politics sub-forum there involve?
Chiron
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Stuart Slade, a full on Neocon.
Eh ... neocons did have a positive vision for the Middle East, giving them a viable alternative between radical Islamism and authoritarian dictatorship: Specifically liberal democracy. But the transition from theory to practice was not always easy.
Chiron
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Their vision was an illusion of democracy while the US looted the oil while ignoring the Kingdoms that had already bent the knee and kissed the ring in order to control their internal affairs.
US was never about democracy in the Middle East and did everything to crush it less the people demand control of their oil wealth.
gral
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Stuart Slade had(he died on December 2020) his own politics forum(for more than 10 years), even though he started on the NavWeaps Forum.
Chiron
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Ah, didn't know he kicked the bucket, then again I was last there in 08 so my perceptions are greatly colored from that time.
Circle of Willis
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In-between my departure from AH.com and my discovery of the Sietch, I found Reddit's HistoryWhatIf subreddit to be less insufferable than the rest of Reddit, and AH.com for that matter. That place has really gone to the dogs since 2012 and especially '16. But the Sietch's AH section really is the very first alternate history discussion forum with a truly conservative lean I've found in all my years on the Internet, and it'll probably remain the only one of its kind in the foreseeable future unless the .win people create a creative writing .win anytime soon.
Places like AH, SB and SV (and also Sealion Press, which is run by & composed of AH.com people from what I can tell) are vastly touchier about AH fiction that's favorable to the center-right (much less right-of-center stuff) than they are about far-left wish fulfillment, and at present they have a near-monopoly on the online alternate history sphere outside Youtube (unless you count the AH cartographer types on Deviantart, but they tend to skew left too IIRC). Even bleeds over into AH games like Paradox's stuff, HOI4's The New Order for example is basically a lib/socdem/anarchist circlejerk while Kaiserreich's decline in quality & update regularity correlates with the growth of unironic syndicalists in its fanbase and the steady expulsion of anyone who isn't the softest of conservatives at the furthest-right to Kaiserredux.
Edit: Also, they're not exactly conservative, but Alternate Timelines seems a legitimately moderate and reasonable site as well. Smaller than the Sietch even (despite being an older forum), but from what I've seen the folks running the show there are honest and level-headed - not the kind of admin/mods to tolerate users who try to win arguments by insinuating or outright calling the other side racist or (whatever)phobic, or to do so themselves.
Places like AH, SB and SV (and also Sealion Press, which is run by & composed of AH.com people from what I can tell) are vastly touchier about AH fiction that's favorable to the center-right (much less right-of-center stuff) than they are about far-left wish fulfillment, and at present they have a near-monopoly on the online alternate history sphere outside Youtube (unless you count the AH cartographer types on Deviantart, but they tend to skew left too IIRC). Even bleeds over into AH games like Paradox's stuff, HOI4's The New Order for example is basically a lib/socdem/anarchist circlejerk while Kaiserreich's decline in quality & update regularity correlates with the growth of unironic syndicalists in its fanbase and the steady expulsion of anyone who isn't the softest of conservatives at the furthest-right to Kaiserredux.
Edit: Also, they're not exactly conservative, but Alternate Timelines seems a legitimately moderate and reasonable site as well. Smaller than the Sietch even (despite being an older forum), but from what I've seen the folks running the show there are honest and level-headed - not the kind of admin/mods to tolerate users who try to win arguments by insinuating or outright calling the other side racist or (whatever)phobic, or to do so themselves.
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Large_Farva
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AR15.com General Discussion. It's not great, but it's someplace to look.
It's huge, and its size means that it moves like lightning compared to SB and that you can find people whose interests in history are both varied and studied (though they are not necessarily the same posters - there are a lot of people with very strong opinions and not nearly so many with well-considered opinions). You want to post a 'What if'? It might get three pages (at 50 responses per page) by lunch, if it really gets traction.
The downside is that its huge, so there's a lot of competition for eyeballs, thread responses move so quickly that less-popular threads can get off the first page in a few minutes, and there are a lot of 'tards so the signal-to-noise ratio isn't good (The ability to 'like' a post cuts down on an ENORMOUS amount of useless responses on forums, and it does not exist on Arfcom).
And as the name implies, it's a gun-focused website (though GD is heavy on the political and news threads) so it's not like a place where everyone is in it for the same type of entertainment interests like it is here (or the constellation of sites related to Spacebattles).
It's huge, and its size means that it moves like lightning compared to SB and that you can find people whose interests in history are both varied and studied (though they are not necessarily the same posters - there are a lot of people with very strong opinions and not nearly so many with well-considered opinions). You want to post a 'What if'? It might get three pages (at 50 responses per page) by lunch, if it really gets traction.
The downside is that its huge, so there's a lot of competition for eyeballs, thread responses move so quickly that less-popular threads can get off the first page in a few minutes, and there are a lot of 'tards so the signal-to-noise ratio isn't good (The ability to 'like' a post cuts down on an ENORMOUS amount of useless responses on forums, and it does not exist on Arfcom).
And as the name implies, it's a gun-focused website (though GD is heavy on the political and news threads) so it's not like a place where everyone is in it for the same type of entertainment interests like it is here (or the constellation of sites related to Spacebattles).
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Even Alternate Timelines is much less tolerant of hereditarianism than this forum is. Here, you can say that people such as Arthur Jensen might have been right without having anything happen to you. There, an identical statement would immediately get you banned for "racism".
Circle of Willis
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Well yes, that's to be expected - hereditarianism in general tends to spook normies badly and is prone to attracting adverse reactions even from the more centrist parts of the right (civnats and such) pretty much everywhere, from what I've seen. That said, Alternate Timelines is still a vastly nicer place than AH.com and the other big sites I mentioned by leaps & bounds.
Possibly; it's just sad that they're so close-minded about hereditarianism.
When I mentioned Garett Jones's Hive Mind there, I was accused of peddling "racist pseudoscience" and "racist bullshit":
Hive Mind (book) - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
And this is a serious problem with the Left. Anything that they dislike is "racist pseudoscience". Heck, Eric Turkheimer even relatively recently compared hereditarianism in regards to human group differences with Holocaust denial on Twitter, even though Holocaust denial is extremely easy to debunk but hereditarianism isn't, even in regards to human group differences:
The Holocaust in the USSR
Ron Unz writes: The demographic argument with regard to Europe’s Jewish population is obviously an important one, as I mentioned in my article. Basically, before the war, there were millions of Jews living in Poland and other parts of Eastern Europe, and after the war they’d mostly vanished, so...
www.unz.com
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Baen Books used run a forum with a wild array of ideologies called Baens Bar which hosted several alternate history authors, (Some good and some bad with the later including Kratman.) but last year someone wrote a scathing article with high accusations of it being a hotbed of advocating political violence and the publisher was forced to close it for a few months. When it finally reopened they implemented a policy of making the forum restricted to only registered buyers of their media with the exclusion of those already members who are grandfathered in, making it partly pay to even enter.
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TheRejectionist
TheRejectionist
I READ Caliphate of Kratman. The guy Is brutal in a chaotic wave.