Batman vs. Iron Man

[Agent23]

I am curious who would win in this assuming that their most op alternate universe/multiverse form is involved.

Why they are fighting?
Well, let us say that this is a royal rumble smackdown style TV event soliciting charity donations for some good cause that improves their publicity and gives both of them a huge tax break.

FIIIIIGHT!!!

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

>their most op alternate universe/multiverse form is involved
Oh man, I don't know too much about the comic book versions of the characters, but the fight is going to require a LOT of charity money to pay for, once all the damages/deaths are factored in...

 

[Agent23]

>their most op alternate universe/multiverse form is involved
Oh man, I don't know too much about the comic book versions of the characters, but the fight is going to require a LOT of charity money to pay for, once all the damages/deaths are factored in...

Nether do I, I rarely care about capeshit nowadays, but I used to like Iron Man and Batman, I have always wondered who would win if they were pulling all the stops.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

They're both genius level, but I think Batman has better planning, both strategically and tactically.

 

[Bear Ribs]

If we're going off their most extreme versions, off the top of my head there's Batman One Million who possesses perfect telepathy, an IQ of 1045, clairvoyance, technology far more advanced than is even possible in his own timeline in the 834th century, and knows every martial art in the galaxy. He was able to instantly defeat Justice League Batman in a single punch. His normal living conditions are so harsh that he considers Gotham City a paradise.

I'm not sure if there's a version of Stark to match that.

Batman One Million | 1M - DC Comics - Character profile

Character profile for the version of Batman that exists in the 823rd century, as written by Grant Morrison. Pictures, personality, skills, gear, RPG stats..

www.writeups.org

 

[Agent23]

If we're going off their most extreme versions, off the top of my head there's Batman One Million who possesses perfect telepathy, an IQ of 1045, clairvoyance, technology far more advanced than is even possible in his own timeline in the 834th century, and knows every martial art in the galaxy. He was able to instantly defeat Justice League Batman in a single punch. His normal living conditions are so harsh that he considers Gotham City a paradise.

I'm not sure if there's a version of Stark to match that.

Batman One Million | 1M - DC Comics - Character profile

Character profile for the version of Batman that exists in the 823rd century, as written by Grant Morrison. Pictures, personality, skills, gear, RPG stats..

www.writeups.org

Knowing Marvel, there is probably an equally whanked out version of Stark somewhere in their multiverse.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Could well be, I'm not an expert. However in general, Marvel tends towards the future being terrible and everybody's hosed where DC's futures tend to be a happier future, still some heroes and villains but mostly happy civilians, except with even more superpowers where even the rando civilians have them and the heroes are over the top.

 

[IndyFront]

Batman hands down, because... he's the goddamn Batman!!!!

JK, but still Batman would win due to having more gadgets/tools and likely having an indomitable willpower

 

[TheRejectionist]

Batman likely victory is due to the character expecting the worst case scenario for everything and for everyone meanwhile Iron Man as character tends to be more idealistic and naive.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Except maybe in a straight up fight, I think Bruce Wayne/Batman tends to have more advantages. Tony Stark is a good businessman and probably in a general sense a superior engineer and scientist in certain technological fields and he's smart and canny, but Bruce Wayne is actually far more canny and wise and devious and manipulative and would be able to shape things up in any sort of indirect confrontation.

Batman has taken on Lex Luthor before after all and Lex Luthor is likely easily the equal of Tony Stark in most respects intellectually and resource wise. Tony Stark meanwhile has been challenged and overcome by other intelligent business leaders, including ones with inferior engineering skills. Obadiah Stane, Justin Hammer, Norman Osborn etc. Now keep in mind, Tony eventually managed to outwit most of these folks, but Bruce Wayne and Wayne Enterprises is every bit as formidable as they are company wise.

Plus Tony Stark has had trouble with all sorts of terrorists. Spymaster. Ghost. Ezekial Stane. Advanced Idea Mechanics. And he was put through the ringer by folks like T'Challa/the Black Panther and the like before as well. Batman/Bruce Wayne is almost a combination of corporate leader and super ninja/spymaster type and both are some of Tony Stark's most formidable foes.

As for the most powerful version of IronMan, there have been a few versions that have incorporated Asgard tech (Thorbuster and that weird comic where Thor/IronMan merged into IronHammer that I never read) and there's also one alternate world where Tony Stark becomes the Sorceror Supreme and typically Batman (and the Justice League in general) has difficulty dealing with magical/mystical threats so a guy in an IronMan Suit with Sorcerer Supreme powers would be a difficult pickle for Batman to outwit and outthink.

 

[IndyFront]

As for the most powerful version of IronMan, there have been a few versions that have incorporated Asgard tech (Thorbuster and that weird comic where Thor/IronMan merged into IronHammer that I never read) and there's also one alternate world where Tony Stark becomes the Sorceror Supreme and typically Batman (and the Justice League in general) has difficulty dealing with magical/mystical threats so a guy in an IronMan Suit with Sorcerer Supreme powers would be a difficult pickle for Batman to outwit and outthink.

I didn't think about that one, yeah that version of Ironman could likely take on Batman

 

[Husky_Khan]

I didn't think about that one, yeah that version of Ironman could likely take on Batman

Yeah there are some insane Batman feats out there. I never actually heard of Batman One Million but it might bring BatGod level preptime to a whole different level so maybe he could outsmart a Master of Magic and High Technology. Hard to know without any concrete showings of what he's actually capable of or stuff he did beyond the brief bits mentioned in this thread.

But while there aren't many feats for Tony Stark, Sorcerer Supreme, just going off what we know of other Sorcerer Supremes (and Tony Stark generally) I feel like the latter would have to drop an idiot ball (or make some serious mistakes) for most versions of Batman to have a serious chance.

 

[Red_Tornado]

I say Iron Man.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Yeah there are some insane Batman feats out there. I never actually heard of Batman One Million but it might bring BatGod level preptime to a whole different level so maybe he could outsmart a Master of Magic and High Technology. Hard to know without any concrete showings of what he's actually capable of or stuff he did beyond the brief bits mentioned in this thread.

But while there aren't many feats for Tony Stark, Sorcerer Supreme, just going off what we know of other Sorcerer Supremes (and Tony Stark generally) I feel like the latter would have to drop an idiot ball (or make some serious mistakes) for most versions of Batman to have a serious chance.

Hmm, genuinely not sure who would win and I don't have access to the whole Batman One Million comic but I can find a few scans.

One of his abilities is to create fully sentient hardlight clones of himself that are totally independent and as capable as he is. In this image none of them is the original, his original body is actually in the Batcave upgrading the Batcomputer while his clones take on every criminal in Gotham simultaneously. They're independent enough that he has clones operating in our time while he's not in that timeline but operating in the 853rd century.

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Batman One Million has a device on his utility belt that lets him rip a person's soul from their body and store it for later use, or transfer it (He uses it on Batman to put Batman into one of his cloned bodies.)

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Based on the pre-event chatter, the Justice Legions regard taking down Elder Gods as a fairly routine operation. Fighting The Color From Space only requires Superman One Million and 5th Dimensional Superman.

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His suit has a memory storage so large he's stunned Batman's Batcomputer only has 10,000 Gigabytes squared of data. Which is a really weird way of measuring data but whatevs.

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Batman One Million's Martial Arts repertoire includes a psychic combat style used by some kind of advanced octopus, which lets him attack the psyche and body simultaneously.

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Capable of Gravity Manipulation, which he seems to mostly use to fly. Not clear if he uses it for anything else but at the least, we know he can fly.

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Tanks a body slam from Hourman then one-shots him before spiking Hourman with a drug that simultaneously takes out Hourman's powers and makes him more accepting of new ideas.

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Tanks Firefly's flamethrower without issue.

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Batman One Millions "Body Quotient" is 1201. The authors stated this is equivalent to IQ but for physical stats, with a baseline human having a BI of 100. That puts him at 101101​ times human baseline average. This is somewhat supported in-comic by the fact that he's able to one-punch S-tier characters like OWAC (one-million version of OMAC, who can throw down with Superman and Wonder Woman) and survived an explosion that wiped out both the Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman One Million.

Spoiler

 

[Agent23]

Hmm, genuinely not sure who would win and I don't have access to the whole Batman One Million comic but I can find a few scans.

One of his abilities is to create fully sentient hardlight clones of himself that are totally independent and as capable as he is. In this image none of them is the original, his original body is actually in the Batcave upgrading the Batcomputer while his clones take on every criminal in Gotham simultaneously. They're independent enough that he has clones operating in our time while he's not in that timeline but operating in the 853rd century.

Spoiler

Batman One Million has a device on his utility belt that lets him rip a person's soul from their body and store it for later use, or transfer it (He uses it on Batman to put Batman into one of his cloned bodies.)

Spoiler

Based on the pre-event chatter, the Justice Legions regard taking down Elder Gods as a fairly routine operation. Fighting The Color From Space only requires Superman One Million and 5th Dimensional Superman.

Spoiler

His suit has a memory storage so large he's stunned Batman's Batcomputer only has 10,000 Gigabytes squared of data. Which is a really weird way of measuring data but whatevs.

Spoiler

Batman One Million's Martial Arts repertoire includes a psychic combat style used by some kind of advanced octopus, which lets him attack the psyche and body simultaneously.

Spoiler

Capable of Gravity Manipulation, which he seems to mostly use to fly. Not clear if he uses it for anything else but at the least, we know he can fly.

Spoiler

Tanks a body slam from Hourman then one-shots him before spiking Hourman with a drug that simultaneously takes out Hourman's powers and makes him more accepting of new ideas.

Spoiler

Tanks Firefly's flamethrower without issue.

Spoiler

Batman One Millions "Body Quotient" is 1201. The authors stated this is equivalent to IQ but for physical stats, with a baseline human having a BI of 100. That puts him at 101101​ times human baseline average. This is somewhat supported in-comic by the fact that he's able to one-punch S-tier characters like OWAC (one-million version of OMAC, who can throw down with Superman and Wonder Woman) and survived an explosion that wiped out both the Martian Manhunter and Wonder Woman One Million.

Spoiler

And here I always thought that Marvel had the more whanked out alternate realities.

 

[Husky_Khan]

The point of DC One Million is to wank things out since it's many millenia into the future.

 

[Bear Ribs]

And here I always thought that Marvel had the more whanked out alternate realities.

The One Million verse is a bit tongue-in-cheek. The base concept is to see what DC comics would look like if the power creep of that time had continued on for one million issues straight (843 centuries of comics). After a million comics where each issue had to one-up the previous one and make the heroes even stronger and with even more powers than they were last season, what do you get? It's pretty much an excuse to try to keep a character's general themes but make them as ludicrously over the top as the authors could imagine, like Aquaman One Million terraforming the planet Neptune into becoming an ocean billions of times larger than the entire Earth, where he can control every single individual water molecule directly, or Batman One Million being, well, what I posted above.

 

[IndyFront]

The One Million verse is a bit tongue-in-cheek. The base concept is to see what DC comics would look like if the power creep of that time had continued on for one million issues straight (843 centuries of comics). After a million comics where each issue had to one-up the previous one and make the heroes even stronger and with even more powers than they were last season, what do you get? It's pretty much an excuse to try to keep a character's general themes but make them as ludicrously over the top as the authors could imagine, like Aquaman One Million terraforming the planet Neptune into becoming an ocean billions of times larger than the entire Earth, where he can control every single individual water molecule directly, or Batman One Million being, well, what I posted above.

Yeah the moment I was like "WTF" was when I saw that Batman supposedly had an IQ of 8-fucking-00 lmaoooooooo

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

101101​ times human baseline average.

Why do I get the feeling that's 'deathstar the earth with punches' level of strength? That's a LOT of fucking zeros lmao.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Yeah the moment I was like "WTF" was when I saw that Batman supposedly had an IQ of 8-fucking-00 lmaoooooooo

Well that's a base underestimation, he has an IQ over 1000, not a measly 800.

Why do I get the feeling that's 'deathstar the earth with punches' level of strength? That's a LOT of fucking zeros lmao.

To be fair, we don't actually see that kind of physical output from him, he mostly uses psychic martial arts to take down enemies without killing them. We have only word of god that he's that ludicrously strong, though they do also say his physical abilities are "Without peer" in a world where Superman's spent 15,000 years in the heart of the sun absorbing solar energy and is now to base Superman what base Superman is to mortal humans.




So... can anybody post the feats for Sorcerer Supreme Iron Man? I'm not familiar with him and after throwing down Batman One Million's feats, I'd like to see how they stack up.