Boomstick's and shooty shooty bang bang's - The GUN Thread!

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bintananth said:
Japan completely wasted their best and brightest by going "Bonzai!" and sticking to it.
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LOL!
What a cute typo :)
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Good for great-great-gramps!
 
bintananth said:
Bingo.

Although, she'll probably be firing the Tanageshima within a month or two.

EDIT: It didn't take long for uneducated peasant conscripts to be taught how to use firearms way back when matchlock muskets were top-shelf army equipment.
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That is why they replaced bows,which was better weapon.If you use longbow,you need 5 years to be average bowmen.
Muskets - one month and could send them on battlefield.
Well,and muskets could kill dude in plate armour,too,when bown need very lucky schoot for that.
 
ATP said:
That is why they replaced bows,which was better weapon.If you use longbow,you need 5 years to be average bowmen.
Muskets - one month and could send them on battlefield.
Well,and muskets could kill dude in plate armour,too,when bown need very lucky schoot for that.
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“If you want to train a longbowman, start with his grandfather.” - King Edward III

English longbows and Japanese yumi are nasty pieces of equipment in the right hands. That 3ft long armour-piercing arrow can easily punch through about 6-7mm of steel.

Samurai armour was mostly for show because it wasn't going to do jack shit except slow you down*. Medieval European full plate actually did provide some protection when things got "up close and personal". A knight wearing full plate was wearing an outfit made out of about 45lbs of steel.
 
bintananth said:
“If you want to train a longbowman, start with his grandfather.” - King Edward III

English longbows and Japanese yumi are nasty pieces of equipment in the right hands. That 3ft long armour-piercing arrow can easily punch through about 6-7mm of steel.

Samurai armour was mostly for show because it wasn't going to do jack shit except slow you down*. Medieval European full plate actually did provide some protection when things got "up close and personal". A knight wearing full plate was wearing an outfit made out of about 45lbs of steel.
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Dunno about samurai armour,but you are right about plate.You need heavy longbow to pierce it,and even then at 30m or less distance - and knight was only lighty injured.
When muskets made possible for win even with fresh consprict.
Not possible in medieval times - peasants after month of training could not take on knights,even with good weapons.
The same peasants with muskets made difference.
 
ATP said:
Dunno about samurai armour,but you are right about plate.You need heavy longbow to pierce it,and even then at 30m or less distance - and knight was only lighty injured.
When muskets made possible for win even with fresh consprict.
Not possible in medieval times - peasants after month of training could not take on knights,even with good weapons.
The same peasants with muskets made difference.
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Agincourt is a really interesting 15th century battle. Henry V's consripts - which were highly paid professional archers, BTW - built a nasty trench line and made a killing field that the French just waded straight into.

IIRC correctly the English archers started dropping arrows on the French from about 300-400 yards.

That's indirect plunging artillery fire. Modern body armour wouldn't have done jack shit and modern rifles are sighted for about that range if it's line-of-sight direct fire.
 
Your implication that modern infantry couldn't have defeated the English at Agincourt is....comically wrong. Modern assault rifles can engage point targets out to about 300-400 yards, but can also engage area targets at up to around 800 yards, and that's not even starting into what SAWs do. Also, modern body armor can withstand multiple hits from armor-piercing rifle rounds with vastly higher kinetic energy and momentum than arrows. It doesn't have as comprehensive of coverage as heavy plate, but it's far superior in actual protection.
 
bintananth said:
Agincourt is a really interesting 15th century battle. Henry V's consripts - which were highly paid professional archers, BTW - built a nasty trench line and made a killing field that the French just waded straight into.

IIRC correctly the English archers started dropping arrows on the French from about 300-400 yards.

That's indirect plunging artillery fire. Modern body armour wouldn't have done jack shit and modern rifles are sighted for about that range if it's line-of-sight direct fire.
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Modern infantry would have suppressing fire from either a M249 or a M240 is they have a weapons squad.
Which basically means those archers will be getting hit at about 800 to 1000.
And the infantry would move use bounding so suppressing fire always happening.
By the time they get to 300 ir is over as the a infantry is trained to hit at that range from basic with irons
 
Zachowon said:
Modern infantry would have suppressing fire from either a M249 or a M240 is they have a weapons squad.
Which basically means those archers will be getting hit at about 800 to 1000.
And the infantry would move use bounding so suppressing fire always happening.
By the time they get to 300 ir is over as the a infantry is trained to hit at that range from basic with irons
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You are an idiot.

In 1415 English archers neither had nor were facing crew-served automatic weapons bcause such things hadn't been invented yet.
 
bintananth said:
You are an idiot.

In 1415 English archers neither had nor were facing crew-served automatic weapons bcause such things hadn't been invented yet.
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What?
You said the archers would be able to take on modern soldiers.
I proved to you why they wouldnt
 
Zachowon said:
What?
You said the archers would be able to take on modern soldiers.
I proved to you why they wouldnt
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I did not say they could take on modern soldiers during a large battle with any expectation of winning.

A Medieval English archer catching you by surprise will suck six ways to Sunday because that 3ft bodkin will be an absolute goddamn fucking nightmare for paramedics to extract while you are bleeding to death before they even begin to apply bandages.
 
bintananth said:
Agincourt is a really interesting 15th century battle. Henry V's consripts - which were highly paid professional archers, BTW - built a nasty trench line and made a killing field that the French just waded straight into.

IIRC correctly the English archers started dropping arrows on the French from about 300-400 yards.

That's indirect plunging artillery fire. Modern body armour wouldn't have done jack shit and modern rifles are sighted for about that range if it's line-of-sight direct fire.
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400y according to what i read.They would massacre any modern army till 1870./without artillery,of course/.
 
bintananth said:
I did not say they could take on modern soldiers during a large battle with any expectation of winning.

A Medieval English archer catching you by surprise will suck six ways to Sunday because that 3ft bodkin will be an absolute goddamn fucking nightmare for paramedics to extract while you are bleeding to death before they even begin to apply bandages.
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If it is stuck keep fighting.
An arrow isn't prone to go through and through.

Also, the soldiersnwouldnt be caught by surprisez the archers would
 
Zachowon said:
If it is stuck keep fighting.
An arrow isn't prone to go through and through.

Also, the soldiersnwouldnt be caught by surprisez the archers would
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Your idiocy never ceases to astound me.

The drill manual I gave Lucille includes infiltration tactics.
 
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Zachowon said:
Infiltration?
What kind of fucking manual is that?
Because mathlock are not stealthy
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It's a drill manual which was written by a Samurai who left Japan. In 1864 he asked the USPS to deliver a Confederate battle flag he captured to his sister.
 
bintananth said:
It's a drill manual which was written by a Samurai who left Japan. In 1864 he asked the USPS to deliver a Confederate battle flag he captured to his sister.
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And it mentions infiltration? Like exactly how?
 
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