Brazilian Supreme Court Compels Twitter to Block Access to their Platform

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According to X/Twitter they are being forced to block access to certain as of yet unspecified accounts on Twitter to users in Brazil by order of the Brazilian Supreme Court.



Fines and other measures are allegedly threatened for noncompliance if they don't censor themselves.



Elon Musk later stated he'd publish the Brazilian Supreme Courts requests and named their Chief Justice Alexandre de Morales as being behind the move to censorship.



 

gral

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This is merely the latest episode in a long story.

Judge Alexandre de Moraes was selected for the Brazilian Supreme Court(STF - Supremo Tribunal Federal) back in... 2016-7, when the President was Michel Temer; Temer did so in exchange for support from PSDB(Brazilian Social Democrat Party) - Moraes had occupied many positions in the Judicial Branch of São Paulo State, a State which had been governed by successive PSDB administrations since the late 1990s. Moraes was put into the STF to be PSDB's man there.

Enter Jair Bolsonaro's presidential bid in 2018. This was a major threat to PSDB; the party had become one of the most powerful parties of Brazil as it became the counterpoint to PT(Worker's Party), being the rival of PT in presidential elections, as well as being the party acknowledged as the head of the opposition since PT won the presidential election of 2002. The fact that PSDB was merely a centre-left party compared with the PT's left made Brazilian elections merely a choice between centre-left and left(what is sometimes called "Teatro das Tesouras", the Scissors' Theatre). Bolsonaro was the first viable presidential candidate of the 'right' since(arguably) Fernando Collor de Mello in 1989, and in the 2018 election, the PSDB's candidate earned less than 5% of the vote in the first ballot.

Therefore, PSDB became Bolsonaro's biggest enemy, even though the leftist coalition was the most outspoken one, being fully behind every obstructionist measure by the leaders of the House of Representatives and the Senate during the first year of Bolsonaro's administration(2019), as well as the STF's veto on some of Bolsonaro's appointments(biggest one was the appointment of the chief of the Federal Police), something they didn't have the prerrogative to do. When COVID came in the following year, while the propaganda was on that every single decision of Bolsonaro to fight the pandemic was the wrong one, the STF started usurping the Federal Executive Branch's powers to either give them to the State Governors or simply saying he wasn't allowed to do it. Moraes was an important part in those efforts(although not the main one). After 2021, Moraes became ever more important in hobbling Bolsonaro, coming to the point that during the 2022 election, Moraes basically was vetoing whichever Bolsonaro campaign decisions or ads he wished(and of course, he vetoed the most effective ones, while not touching the Lula Campaign ones).

Now we come to social media. Bolsonaro's success in 2018 is widely attributed to his camapign's social media efforts(something I don't think it's the whole truth - the support of Pentecostal Evangelists was as critical, if not more so). In 2019, some Representatives who had initially supported Bolsonaro, but soon broke up(mostly unsatisfied with the division of spoils), started raising some noise about Bolsonaro's success being due to 'fake news' on social media, which gave the STF the excuse to start an investigation led by... you guessed it, Alexandre de Moraes. Since then, that highly irregular investigation(where Moraes acts as prosecutor, judge, and sometimes as jury), has been used to hammer Bolsonaro's supporters(as well as those who personally displeased Moraes). Ordering social media companies to ban accounts of those the investigation deemed offenders, or to give personal information about them to be used in further investigations became commonplace, with social media companies being threatened with daily fines and/or banishment in Brazil for noncompliance(which is why you can't access Rumble or Locals without a VPN in Brazil). This has only grown more frequent since the January 8th, 2023 idiocy - now 'fake news' is deemed 'an attack on democracy'.

It looks like Elon Musk has grown tired of this shit and decided he won't play this game anymore, and if it means Twitter leaves Brazil, so be it. So far, the only response on Moraes part has been to include Musk as someone to be investigated in the 'Fake News' Inquiry last night - Musk made a Brazilian public servant work on a Sunday, perhaps his greatest accomplishment ever. So far, it seems that, in the short term, Twitter will be banned in Brazil.

However, there will be backlash - even though it's not WhatsApp(most used social media in Brazil - it's ubiquitous here), enough people use, make money of and hunt for political engaement in Twitter to piss off a lot of people(Telegram isn't nearly on that level, although it may become so, especially if Twitter gets banned and everyone moves to it). And Moraes is vulnerable to pressure on this - he's hated throughout Brazil(as is the entire STF), and those who vocally support him on Twitter(the irony) are mainly doing so because he's going after people they don't like. Some of them are even clever enough to understand he could do this to them as well if he were allowed to. My guess is Moraes is setting himself up to become a scapegoat. It may not happen now, but I do think this is the beginning of the end for him.
 

49ersfootball

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This is merely the latest episode in a long story.

Judge Alexandre de Moraes was selected for the Brazilian Supreme Court(STF - Supremo Tribunal Federal) back in... 2016-7, when the President was Michel Temer; Temer did so in exchange for support from PSDB(Brazilian Social Democrat Party) - Moraes had occupied many positions in the Judicial Branch of São Paulo State, a State which had been governed by successive PSDB administrations since the late 1990s. Moraes was put into the STF to be PSDB's man there.

Enter Jair Bolsonaro's presidential bid in 2018. This was a major threat to PSDB; the party had become one of the most powerful parties of Brazil as it became the counterpoint to PT(Worker's Party), being the rival of PT in presidential elections, as well as being the party acknowledged as the head of the opposition since PT won the presidential election of 2002. The fact that PSDB was merely a centre-left party compared with the PT's left made Brazilian elections merely a choice between centre-left and left(what is sometimes called "Teatro das Tesouras", the Scissors' Theatre). Bolsonaro was the first viable presidential candidate of the 'right' since(arguably) Fernando Collor de Mello in 1989, and in the 2018 election, the PSDB's candidate earned less than 5% of the vote in the first ballot.

Therefore, PSDB became Bolsonaro's biggest enemy, even though the leftist coalition was the most outspoken one, being fully behind every obstructionist measure by the leaders of the House of Representatives and the Senate during the first year of Bolsonaro's administration(2019), as well as the STF's veto on some of Bolsonaro's appointments(biggest one was the appointment of the chief of the Federal Police), something they didn't have the prerrogative to do. When COVID came in the following year, while the propaganda was on that every single decision of Bolsonaro to fight the pandemic was the wrong one, the STF started usurping the Federal Executive Branch's powers to either give them to the State Governors or simply saying he wasn't allowed to do it. Moraes was an important part in those efforts(although not the main one). After 2021, Moraes became ever more important in hobbling Bolsonaro, coming to the point that during the 2022 election, Moraes basically was vetoing whichever Bolsonaro campaign decisions or ads he wished(and of course, he vetoed the most effective ones, while not touching the Lula Campaign ones).

Now we come to social media. Bolsonaro's success in 2018 is widely attributed to his camapign's social media efforts(something I don't think it's the whole truth - the support of Pentecostal Evangelists was as critical, if not more so). In 2019, some Representatives who had initially supported Bolsonaro, but soon broke up(mostly unsatisfied with the division of spoils), started raising some noise about Bolsonaro's success being due to 'fake news' on social media, which gave the STF the excuse to start an investigation led by... you guessed it, Alexandre de Moraes. Since then, that highly irregular investigation(where Moraes acts as prosecutor, judge, and sometimes as jury), has been used to hammer Bolsonaro's supporters(as well as those who personally displeased Moraes). Ordering social media companies to ban accounts of those the investigation deemed offenders, or to give personal information about them to be used in further investigations became commonplace, with social media companies being threatened with daily fines and/or banishment in Brazil for noncompliance(which is why you can't access Rumble or Locals without a VPN in Brazil). This has only grown more frequent since the January 8th, 2023 idiocy - now 'fake news' is deemed 'an attack on democracy'.

It looks like Elon Musk has grown tired of this shit and decided he won't play this game anymore, and if it means Twitter leaves Brazil, so be it. So far, the only response on Moraes part has been to include Musk as someone to be investigated in the 'Fake News' Inquiry last night - Musk made a Brazilian public servant work on a Sunday, perhaps his greatest accomplishment ever. So far, it seems that, in the short term, Twitter will be banned in Brazil.

However, there will be backlash - even though it's not WhatsApp(most used social media in Brazil - it's ubiquitous here), enough people use, make money of and hunt for political engaement in Twitter to piss off a lot of people(Telegram isn't nearly on that level, although it may become so, especially if Twitter gets banned and everyone moves to it). And Moraes is vulnerable to pressure on this - he's hated throughout Brazil(as is the entire STF), and those who vocally support him on Twitter(the irony) are mainly doing so because he's going after people they don't like. Some of them are even clever enough to understand he could do this to them as well if he were allowed to. My guess is Moraes is setting himself up to become a scapegoat. It may not happen now, but I do think this is the beginning of the end for him.
Getting quite crazier. Brazil is gonna Brazil
 

gral

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Is he setting himself up or was he told to make himself a scapegoat?
I don't think he is that loyal. He is someone who enjoys throwing his weight around; the last person you'd want anywhere near any position of power... and the perfect person to set on the people you don't like. This sort of people tends to eventually self-destruct, because of their own failings. The question is, how long until having him around ceases to be a benefit and becomes a liability? It will become a bit longer if Musk blinks first(Possible. He did so at that proposed 'fight' with Zuckerberg, where the stakes were lesser). But I really doubt he will serve his full term(which ends in December 2043, when he turns 75) without being impeached.

EDIT: Musk may have already blinked; he posted that he wished to 'debate this openly'. Moraes doesn't give a fuck about debating; his official justifications for his acts are poor from the Brazilian Law(and Law in general) technical aspect, done that way because there has to be a formal justification and nothing else. He does what he does because he can/is allowed to. There is nothing to debate here.
 
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Sir 1000

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Bric's must be entrenching even further in the Brazilian government, i'm not even going to bother counting on Musk. Twitter doesn't try this with loyal globalist pets, makes you think🤔
 

49ersfootball

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I don't think he is that loyal. He is someone who enjoys throwing his weight around; the last person you'd want anywhere near any position of power... and the perfect person to set on the people you don't like. This sort of people tends to eventually self-destruct, because of their own failings. The question is, how long until having him around ceases to be a benefit and becomes a liability? It will become a bit longer if Musk blinks first(Possible. He did so at that proposed 'fight' with Zuckerberg, where the stakes were lesser). But I really doubt he will serve his full term(which ends in December 2043, when he turns 75) without being impeached.

EDIT: Musk may have already blinked; he posted that he wished to 'debate this openly'. Moraes doesn't give a fuck about debating; his official justifications for his acts are poor from the Brazilian Law(and Law in general) technical aspect, done that way because there has to be a formal justification and nothing else. He does what he does because he can/is allowed to. There is nothing to debate here.
This is one chaotic Brazilian Telenovela: Six Decades of Chaos & Crazy!
 

shangrila

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Lol, Elon Musk publishes Brazil Secret Court Orders through U.S. House Judicial Committee.

"Musk is indeed a very innovative businessman; he innovated with electric cars, he innovated with rockets and now he invented a new form of non-compliance of a court order, through an intermediary," said Carlos Affonso, director of the nonprofit Institute of Technology and Society. "He said he would reveal the documents and he found someone to do this for him."

The bans include many journalists and some elected officials with blatantly fake or nonexistent justification. Hilariously, the orders demanded Twitter claim the bans to be of its own accord, and that the existence of the court orders be kept secret; yet when pressed on the matter, the Court's response is that the banned people could always go request the documents from the Court, so it's okay. That's some serious Vogan energy they've got going there. Hey, you can always get the documents on the issue we've kept secret from you, from the entity we've kept secret from you, by just making a timely request in the appropriate locked basement room a few light years away in Alpha Centauri.
 

49ersfootball

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Lol, Elon Musk publishes Brazil Secret Court Orders through U.S. House Judicial Committee.



The bans include many journalists and some elected officials with blatantly fake or nonexistent justification. Hilariously, the orders demanded Twitter claim the bans to be of its own accord, and that the existence of the court orders be kept secret; yet when pressed on the matter, the Court's response is that the banned people could always go request the documents from the Court, so it's okay. That's some serious Vogan energy they've got going there. Hey, you can always get the documents on the issue we've kept secret from you, from the entity we've kept secret from you, by just making a timely request in the appropriate locked basement room a few light years away in Alpha Centauri.
Now what could possibly go wrong with this ?🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
 

Typhonis

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by just making a timely request in the appropriate locked basement room a few light years away in Alpha Centauri.
The office is open between the hours of 2:00PM to 3:00PM on Sunday. Warning, the door does not work and the employee is not honor bound to allow you to use the employee entrance. Plus the waiting room music may not be changed.

Have I been watching too much Hermitcraft?
 

gral

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A political commentator I follow(he gets more predictions right than the others, by far) is convinced that Alexandre de Moraes will be impeached - according to him, it'll be a drawn-out process but it will end in his ousting. Let's see if he gets this one right as well.
 

DarthOne

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A political commentator I follow(he gets more predictions right than the others, by far) is convinced that Alexandre de Moraes will be impeached - according to him, it'll be a drawn-out process but it will end in his ousting. Let's see if he gets this one right as well.
Has he been right more often than not before?
 

49ersfootball

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A political commentator I follow(he gets more predictions right than the others, by far) is convinced that Alexandre de Moraes will be impeached - according to him, it'll be a drawn-out process but it will end in his ousting. Let's see if he gets this one right as well.
We'll find out soon enough. How long will this impeachment drag on ?
 

gral

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Mind giving me this fellows name/webpage?
Nowadays, he's posting solely on his Telegram channel, which he recently closed EDIT: closed for new members, that is(and changed the name), after posting his opinion on the STF decisions regarding the Fake News inquiry.

As he declared the AI-5 was less restrictive than what Moraes is doing(with the assent of his fellow judges, as they are theoretically the only ones who can stop him, barring an impeachment process), and that the AI-5 decisions regarding suspension of political rights had better grounding on the Brazilian Law, you can understand why he turned turtle on this.
 
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gral

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We'll find out soon enough. How long will this impeachment drag on ?
The comparison the guy was doing was with the Dilma Rousseff impeachment, showing that the first thing the President of the House of Representatives does is to deny he will accept any petition to start the process - the article he brought up was one that said that Eduardo Cunha(then-President of the House) was openly saying he wouldn't accept any impeachment petitions. Two and a half months after the date of that article Cunha accepted a petition and started impeachment procedures for Dilma Rousseff. Eight months after that, she was out.

Extrapolating this into the current situation, which that commentator did not do, you shouldn't have an impeachment in the next 6 months, and it'll probably take one year to get Moraes out.
 

49ersfootball

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The comparison the guy was doing was with the Dilma Rousseff impeachment, showing that the first thing the President of the House of Representatives does is to deny he will accept any petition to start the process - the article he brought up was one that said that Eduardo Cunha(then-President of the House) was openly saying he wouldn't accept any impeachment petitions. Two and a half months after the date of that article Cunha accepted a petition and started impeachment procedures for Dilma Rousseff. Eight months after that, she was out.

Extrapolating this into the current situation, which that commentator did not do, you shouldn't have an impeachment in the next 6 months, and it'll probably take one year to get Moraes out.
Percentage & odds Judge Moraes gets the Bigly boot ?
 

gral

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The only prediction I dare make as of now is he will be impeached before he would get his compulsory retirement(which is scheduled to happen at December 2043, when he becomes 75 years old). My inclination is to believe the guy who says the process has already begun.
 

49ersfootball

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The only prediction I dare make as of now is he will be impeached before he would get his compulsory retirement(which is scheduled to happen at December 2043, when he becomes 75 years old). My inclination is to believe the guy who says the process has already begun.
Keep us posted on more developments.
 

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