Humor/Comedy Crunchyroll announces original series "Ex-Arms": Anime is over, we can all go home.

[Tzeentchean Perspective]

Crunchyroll’s Upcoming Original Ex-Arm Faces Widespread Ridicule Over Debut Trailer’s Poor Quality

Crunchyroll’s Ex-Arm has been met with near-universal backlash after its debut trailer made apparent the series’ low-production quality.

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What can my foolish words say that'd come anywhere close to doing this incredible masterpiece justice?

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The few clips do make it look rather mediocre.

I wonder if this show will be forgotten like High Guardian Spice.

 

[Duke Nukem]

Crunchyroll’s Upcoming Original Ex-Arm Faces Widespread Ridicule Over Debut Trailer’s Poor Quality

Crunchyroll’s Ex-Arm has been met with near-universal backlash after its debut trailer made apparent the series’ low-production quality.

boundingintocomics.com

What can my foolish words say that'd come anywhere close to doing this incredible masterpiece justice?

Looks like a RWBY clone

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Step one: Begin animation project
Step two: Begin next animation project


Trailers for your product cannot be your product.

 

[prinCZess]

>To spare people a search-up of the full trailer if they'd like:

Spoiler

The music choice is...something.

Well. That doesn't look very promising. If anything, the short clips kind of undersell how bad it is. But that doesn't seem too surprising coming from Crunchyroll, kickstarter, or CGI.
That's right. I'm throwing down my old-person guantlet on CGI. It's a cancerous blob of horror that I cannot recall ever producing a good product--perhaps contributing to something else if used partially or sparingly, but so far I'm pretty certain we're batting a 1000 on CGI 'anime' or anime-alike stuff that's just...terrible.

Unless you count like...Starship Troopers stuff? Maybe? I've heard positives about it, at least. But in basically every other instance...

In a way it's understandable-ish, maybe? Crunchyroll 'original' lacks any premade fanbase and that kickstarter-money can only go so far. I'm sure CGI is cost-savings and blahh-looking CGI even more-so. But...At a certain point you hit a corner where you lose most of the visual appeal of using an animated medium to begin with.
This looks like it dropped through that hole and kept falling.

...And they could have at least given the samurai-dude his own figure-hugging unitard.

 

[Jouaint]

Well. That doesn't look very promising. If anything, the short clips kind of undersell how bad it is. But that doesn't seem too surprising coming from Crunchyroll, kickstarter, or CGI.
That's right. I'm throwing down my old-person guantlet on CGI. It's a cancerous blob of horror that I cannot recall ever producing a good product--perhaps contributing to something else if used partially or sparingly, but so far I'm pretty certain we're batting a 1000 on CGI 'anime' or anime-alike stuff that's just...terrible.

I mean Astartes proves that one person working on their own can make amazing CGI, its just to many studios use CGI because its cheap and/or fast instead of using it as its own medium. I mean it is the old saying "Fast, Cheap, or Good. Pick two." Way too many studios pick the first two. That combined with the view of CGI as the medium you use to quickly and cheaply push out garbage pushes talented artists away and doesn't allow those who join to grow.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I mean Astartes proves that one person working on their own can make amazing CGI, its just to many studios use CGI because its cheap and/or fast instead of using it as its own medium. I mean it is the old saying "Fast, Cheap, or Good. Pick two." Way too many studios pick the first two. That combined with the view of CGI as the medium you use to quickly and cheaply push out garbage pushes talented artists away and doesn't allow those who join to grow.

Just as there’s bad CGI, so is there stuff like regular bad 2D animation

And as you’re saying, the idea of use it cheaply and quickly means “We won’t even bother detailing it” even when they have an entire studio and more funds....also they intend to make it rushed and expect the CONSOOMERS will buy it anyway

Such decadence, the kind in which those “civilized” fools are running out of cash and still act like Kings

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Good CGI is even more expensive than good 2d but comes packaged with all that baggage about CGI being a red flag, so the fact is that anyone who gave enough of a shit to make their show look good would do 2d, meaning the red flag reinforces itself as accurate from both directions.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

Good CGI is even more expensive than good 2d but comes packaged with all that baggage about CGI being a red flag, so the fact is that anyone who gave enough of a shit to make their show look good would do 2d, meaning the red flag reinforces itself as accurate from both directions.

That is. . . completely circular logic.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

That is. . . completely circular logic.

Feedback loops and vicious cycles do in fact exist, yes.

 

[SuperS4]

The only oddity is having an animation company that hasn't really done much full fledged animation. No issues with a 'non-anime director' being Director; the reasoning he states makes sense. If he's got some experience with 3D and CGI, more so then your average anime director, why not. The biggest issue is with animation. And while 3D CGI isn't always up to snuff, it can look pretty darn good, if you want to pay for it. Starship Troopers doesn't look this bad, nor does Appleseed. But those had bigger budgets and bigger companies working on it.

I have no issues with Crunchyroll Original series en masse. Given that several of them have been quite good, Tower of God, God of High School, etc. However, those series all used experienced animation companies, all of whom have big named animes under their belt. The only ones I'm ever concerned about are those done by "Crunchyroll Studios", ie spice whatever.

I probably won't watch it personally. But the whole "OMG! CGI! BURN THEM ALL!" is getting fucking tiresome. CGI is used in a shitload of anime, a lot of it just blended. And yet most of you puritans probably don't even notice it, or pretend you don't so you can feel smug.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

CGI is used in a shitload of anime, a lot of it just blended. And yet most of you puritans probably don't even notice it, or pretend you don't so you can feel smug.

A shitload of anime are shitty, and CGI in anime can be correctly generalized to a negative, because it almost always is.

 

[SuperS4]

A shitload of anime are shitty, and CGI in anime can be correctly generalized to a negative, because it almost always is.

Well gee, aren't you just a bucket of sunshine and no one gives a shit.

Pretty much very blockbuster anime of the last few years that involves action, has some element of CGI in it. Iron Blooded Orphans? Check. Attack on Titan? Check. Re;Zero, check. Tanya? Check. I'm too lazy to keep listing them. 99% of the time, you can't even notice the CGI when it's blended properly. So you've probably watched a bunch of shows and went "OMG! AWESOME ANIMATION! WOO NO CGI! FUCK YEAH!"...and missed all the CGI parts in it.

Not that it matters, you'll wax on about puritan bullshit. I agree, CGI can be shitty, and it is in this trailer. But the whole "OMG! CGI! BURN IT!" is getting fucking tiresome.

Also the whole "A shitload of anime is shitty"? Really? No shit, when there are hundreds of thousands of anime, of course a lot of it's going to be garbage. That in and of itself has no bearing on anything remotely connected to this topic. Granted, your assumption that CGI is correctly generalized to be a negative is also bullshit, but look who I'm talking to lol.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Also the whole "A shitload of anime is shitty"? Really? No shit, when there are hundreds of thousands of anime, of course a lot of it's going to be garbage. That in and of itself has no bearing on anything remotely connected to this topic. Granted, your assumption that CGI is correctly generalized to be a negative is also bullshit, but look who I'm talking to lol.

It's Shipmaster Sane just bashing on anime as usual. Sure, lots of anime and manga are shit. I see no problem with this. Would it be great if everything was great? Sure. But if everything was great or if everything was Tolkien in quality then being like Tolkien in how good you are is of no consequence cause it doesn't mean anything.

At the very least, somebody out there is entertained by the shitty stuff so people get what they want aka they are pandered to just like how great stuff panders to people who want that.

At any rate, thats neither here nor there.

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

Well gee, aren't you just a bucket of sunshine and no one gives a shit.

Jesus you were just itching for a public tantrum werent you? I'll give you a hint, stay away from "nobody cares" comments when you're in the staggering minority, it makes you look like a joke.

Pretty much very blockbuster anime of the last few years that involves action, has some element of CGI in it.

Which is usually a negative, now, they might have positives outweighing the negatives but that doesnt mean that CGI isnt usually a negative.

Iron Blooded Orphans? Check. Attack on Titan? Check. Re;Zero, check. Tanya?

Shit, shit, shit, shit, awesome, my point is only reinforced.

So you've probably watched a bunch of shows and went "OMG! AWESOME ANIMATION! WOO NO CGI! FUCK YEAH!"...and missed all the CGI parts in it.

Imagine getting really excited about the animation anyway.

But the whole "OMG! CGI! BURN IT!" is getting fucking tiresome.

No one gives a shit about what you find tiresome, but feel free to continue spazzing out.

Also the whole "A shitload of anime is shitty"? Really? No shit, when there are hundreds of thousands of anime, of course a lot of it's going to be garbage. That in and of itself has no bearing on anything remotely connected to this topic.

-Cites "it's used a lot" as if it means dick
-Freaks out when "a lot of the time things are bad" is brought up as a retort to his point that hinges on something being common, therefore not bad

Granted, your assumption that CGI is correctly generalized to be a negative is also bullshit

Not an assumption, most of the time it is not only a negative, but the degree to which it is used is a fantastic indicator of a show's quality.

but look who I'm talking to lol.

You are making an embarrassing spectacle of yourself.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

You're definitely the one making an embarrassing spectacle of himself, given the petulant circular logic and your ludicrous backup argument of, "If I make a cherry-picked comparison between the worst CGI shows and the best traditional animation, this clearly proves that all CGI is inherently bad!"

 

[prinCZess]

I suppose the main bone is a correlation versus causation thing.

CGI integrated into other techniques or styles well can enhance things--not just a animated rule either, since the same applies to a lot of special effects in live-action. Things more entirely reliant on it versus anything less visibly obvious though are, technologically and usually in terms of budget, limited.

Is that limited budget responsible for lack of visual appeal and general poor quality of a work, or (I'd be more inclined to say) should writing and characterization that are less tied to budget be able to overcome lackluster visuals?

Kind of a chicken and egg thing. Though it does seem certain studios/directors can be typecast (crunchyroll in this case, or say Michael Bay or Uwe Boll in live-action films where one can be pretty certain writing won'tbe put over visuals or harebrained ideas, so...).

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

I don't have a conceptual problem with "CGI in anime". I like CGI when it's used to complement anime. For example, in Princess Mononoke, the spooky demon tentacles are CGI, but it was blended so well you didn't notice. In Spirited Away, highly detailed inorganic objects that move, such as the plates mom and dad ate from, are 3D models. In Makoto Shinkai's earlier films, 3D models were used unobtrusively in the background, such as the windmills. All three instances of CGI improve the fidelity of the work and don't look bad.

What I don't like is obtrusive use of CGI, which typically happens when the studio tries to use CGI as a replacement for 2D animation. Like having 3D models as extras in an anime, like in Re:Zero. It's front and center and your eyes are focused on it and it looks absolutely awful. Or those crappy 3D model monsters in Ufotable shows (or, again, in Re:Zero), which are front and center and look awful.

Or in mecha shows. The whole appeal of mecha anime is looking at beautiful 2D animated mechas, and then they get replaced with crappy 3D models. I know that 2D mecha animation is becoming a lost art, but, come on. If you're going to do a mecha anime, actually invest the money and set aside the time to train up your animators/acquire good mecha animators and do it right.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I don't watch much anime but yeah, checking out that trailer, the animation I guess looks okay... but then everything is moving and it looks slow and awkward and horribly out of place. Like all of the action scenes feel like they are in slow motion speed and I always thought of anime action scenes as being fast cuts and fast hyperkinetic action bits, not perpetual slo-mo.

And yeah the art style seemed pretty blah as well.

What really stood out to me was the song... like... I don't think it was matching the trailer at all.

The thing that made it worse was I was watching the trailer while playing the FFVII remake and the latter put the trailers combat to shame in both visuals, character and tempo and would've if I was just watching it to be honest.

 

[SuperS4]

*snip*

You done crying?

Because when you are, maybe we can talk. Until then, well, you can keep crying about your shitty circular logic and having a tantrum about "CGI IS RUINING MUH ANIME!"

It ruins some anime. This one in particular. But then you go on about how it just ruins everything, and then most people just laugh at you.

But, you do you. Don't worry, I've got no issues with a grown man crying, even if it's over shitty CGI.