Debt Limit


if the government has the funding to make coked up roided up hamsters fight? they got too much money. if you find the actual not shopped images or vids? way less adorable.
 
If the public support for spending cuts does not exist, then increase taxes. Keep doing it until either the budget is balanced or the public will countenance spending cuts.
 
Naw, you don't have facts on your side or you wouldn't have needed to invent an equation like " 6.3 minus 5.1 times 25.46."

I didn't realize basic subtraction is now an equation; let's start by saying you don't understand the difference basic math and Algebra, to start the running total of what all you got wrong in this post. Next, we agree $6.3 Trillion is current spending, and $5.1 Trillion is the spending you calculated would be left after your cuts. $25.46 Trillion is the total U.S. GDP. These numbers weren't pulled out of thin air, and you even cited them yourself in this post.

Hilariously, though, it still yields a balanced budget, if you ignore the stupid part you inserted in there. The federal budget of 6.3 trillion, if reduced by removing the ~ 25% waste that seems to be common to large federal programs, which I've provided numerous citations for, yields a Federal budget of 4.8 trillion, just a touch under the 4.9 taken in and thus a balanced budget that can start paying down the debt.

You invented a figure out of thin air in your 25%; none of your citations claim that figure as a general number. Second, for someone that cites Keynes, it's odd how you ignore he entirely talks about what the ramifications of belt tightening means; he directly said it would cause exactly the issue I said by destroying demand. What does that mean? Tax income goes down and thus you still can't pay off that debt because the budget isn't balanced.

If you feel otherwise, please explain how eliminating several million Federal workers doesn't hurt tax receipts alone?

No, we can infer that you can't read or understand basic math. I also provided sources that you apparently missed.

And none of said sources state your claimed figure as a general rule. You took it in one case and assumed it could be applied in all. Please do try to keep up with what the actual point is.

I provided quotes from Keynes and you conclude it was from Lenin. I guess we can add basic reading to the things you're incapable of.

You're not very good at this:

Lenin is said to have declared that the best way to destroy the Capitalist System was to debauch the currency. By a continuing process of inflation, governments can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens. By this method they not only confiscate, but they confiscate arbitrarily; and, while the process impoverishes many, it actually enriches some. The sight of this arbitrary rearrangement of riches strikes not only at security, but at confidence in the equity of the existing distribution of wealth. Those to whom the system brings windfalls, beyond their deserts and even beyond their expectations or desires, become "profiteers," who are the object of the hatred of the bourgeoisie, whom the inflationism has impoverished, not less than of the proletariat. As the inflation proceeds and the real value of the currency fluctuates wildly from month to month, all permanent relations between debtors and creditors, which form the ultimate foundation of capitalism, become so utterly disordered as to be almost meaningless; and the process of wealth-getting degenerates into a gamble and a lottery. - John Maynard Keynes, The Economic Consequences of the Peace

Actual economics tends to agree that your plan of raising the level of inflation clicking hot is actually the worst choice. It ruins consumer confidence, and confidence in the currency is what motivates consumers to actually buy, sell, and save.

The only individuals you named in your post were Keynes and Lenin, but you claim you cited economists. Either you don't understand the difference between Singular and Plural nouns, or you were citing Lenin in addition to Keynes when you referred to economists. If you meant otherwise, please specific who those others besides Keynes are?

Deleting blatant waste won't cause a recession. If the military didn't pay 2000 dollars for a nut that civilians pay fifty cents for, it wouldn't cause millions of jobs to be lost, it would just remove some graft, and the military could go on to build several times more vehicles for a fraction of the price, which could be sold or otherwise use for some actual benefit.

For some who has repeatedly cited Keynes, it's remarkable how little you seem to have actually read of his works:

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I'm not the one that needs to be providing citations here, I'm not the one making a positive claim, namely that eliminating wasteful needless spending will always automatically cause a recession.

Except you've made several claims, failed to back them up and then can't back up your objections to my own points. I've provided all my figures and links, you haven't.

The bigger issue of course, is your continued use of the fallacy of False Choice. There are a myriad of options and your insistence that the only one possible is inflation is the real issue. Regardless of how the citations roll out, your base reasoning is fallacious.

There's three options, no more and each has consequences. I've said inflation is the only real option, and provided historical inflation data to show when this was done in the past. That you disagree with it is fine, but unfortunately reality doesn't compute to your whims and I know from how you're acting in this post, you know it too. It's okay to admit you're wrong Bear Ribs, it only becomes a sin when you refuse to face the reality that I'm correct and you're not.
 
Are... are you okay?

Lenin was mentioned in the Keyes quote.

And they said Actual economics not Actual economists.

Read it as economists, but still valid because the field of economics isn't abiogenic. 98% of Modern Economists disagree with him and even Keynes directly states to cut spending like he proposes will incur an economic hit as I've said. Case in point, see the late 1930s Budget Cuts FDR did and how they triggered the Recession of 1937-1938.
 
Your only options are to either:
  1. Crash the economy, at somewhere between Great Recession and Great Depression levels, by drastically cutting Federal spending.
  2. Defaulting on the debt, with about the same impact as the above and immediately ends the Dollar Reserve status system.
  3. Let inflation run red hot at 20% or so for 4-5 years, give or take. This will inflate the debt away like we did after WWII, but at the cost of mass reductions in living standards in a country where roughly equal numbers of Leftists and Rightists support secession, with active secession measures under debate in Texas and with roughly 25% of Americans saying taking up arms against the Government is valid.
The U.S. is not going to survive the next 15 years.

There's three options, no more and each has consequences.
Why is raising taxes not even possible as an option?
 
I didn't realize basic subtraction is now an equation; let's start by saying you don't understand the difference basic math and Algebra, to start the running total of what all you got wrong in this post. Next, we agree $6.3 Trillion is current spending, and $5.1 Trillion is the spending you calculated would be left after your cuts. $25.46 Trillion is the total U.S. GDP. These numbers weren't pulled out of thin air, and you even cited them yourself in this post.
Yes, subtraction and multiplication are, in fact, equations. So one of us certainly doesn't understand even first-grade math, but feels qualified to talk about how they understand the entire US economy. I'd suggest you go look up Dunning-Kreuger, but your reading comprehension has proven just as poor so I doubt you'd get much out of it.

You invented a figure out of thin air in your 25%; none of your citations claim that figure as a general number. Second, for someone that cites Keynes, it's odd how you ignore he entirely talks about what the ramifications of belt tightening means; he directly said it would cause exactly the issue I said by destroying demand. What does that mean? Tax income goes down and thus you still can't pay off that debt because the budget isn't balanced.

If you feel otherwise, please explain how eliminating several million Federal workers doesn't hurt tax receipts alone?
First how about you establish the existence of these several million workers? How many people were employed to spend $118,000 on checking if Thanos could snap his fingers? How many people got employment out of making a hamster fight club?

'Cause here's the thing, these grift projects? They're about taking money and not giving it back. They don't want to employ lots of people gainfully, that just dilutes their personal slice of the pie. They're about taking ungodly amounts of cash, putting out as little effort as possible, and keeping it all for themselves, not spreading it around by giving lots of people jobs. We know from my sources already provided, f'rex, that the operation of marking up pliers to $999.20 and selling them to the military was the work of a single dude.

Here's where it gets funny. There are only 2.85 million Federal employees in the first place. Assuming your cutoff for "several" is 3, we can't actually cut several million jobs because there aren't even several million jobs in the first place.


If we look at everybody who has a "contract" with the government, we get about five million as of 2020.

Well at least we're reaching the point where "several" million is at least theoretically possible. Still, it beggars belief that cutting the 25 most wasteful, bloated percent is going to gut the contract industry entirely. Will Boeing have to tighten its belt and fire three-fifths of its employees because some grifter in a Boston University isn't getting Thee Million Dollars to drug hamsters and make them fight in tournaments? Would the post office need to let most of the mail carriers go if Fauci didn't spend half a million dollars on trying to create transgender monkeys? Is the highway system going to get rid of its maintenance workers because we're not paying one dude in the NIS 75K to put lizards on a stick and shoot a leaf blower at them? Of course not.

This is why you fail, you don't comprehend the actual scale we're working with or remotely understand the system you loudly proclaim has an incredibly limited array of options. You pull numbers like "several million" out of your ass without realizing that's actually physically impossible. In reality the number thus unemployed would be tiny, most of them already have other jobs, and in an ideal world they would all be going to jail anyway.

Or maybe you think that would hurt the economy too, because people in jail aren't buying stuff and paying sales tax so for the good of the economy, we need to let all the prisoners out.

And none of said sources state your claimed figure as a general rule. You took it in one case and assumed it could be applied in all. Please do try to keep up with what the actual point is.

You're not very good at this:

The only individuals you named in your post were Keynes and Lenin, but you claim you cited economists. Either you don't understand the difference between Singular and Plural nouns, or you were citing Lenin in addition to Keynes when you referred to economists. If you meant otherwise, please specific who those others besides Keynes are?
You continue to fail at basic reading comprehension, but others have already pointed out how badly you misread that sentence so I won't continue to beat the dead horse.

Reveal Trap Card. I chose Keynes specifically because he'd disagree with my assessment. The thing is, even somebody like Keynes, who would hate my position, still hates yours more. That's the thing, you can find economists arguing about a lot of different areas, but economists saying "yeah, 20% inflation for years on end will help the economy" are mighty thin on the ground. That's why I can fairly say that Economics generally disagrees with you.

Except you've made several claims, failed to back them up and then can't back up your objections to my own points. I've provided all my figures and links, you haven't.
“A lie repeated often enough, eventually gains acceptance”-Josef Goebbels, maybe

"But not on a message board where everybody can go back and read the previous posts." -Bear Ribs, certainly
 

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