Election 2020 Election Fraud: Let's face it, this year will be a shitshow

Cherico

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If getting an ID is too much of a hurdle, you don't even deserve to vote.

And before you give me the standard "working class poor don't have time," comeback, if you can't find an hour or two out of your day once every four years, (typical date for how long a state ID is good, may vary by state,) then you're the problem, not the system.

You need an ID to function many aspects of today's life. Before you imply it, no, black people and minorities are not too poor and stupid to get an ID.

And before you pull the poll tax card, I'm 100% for subsidizing IDs and giving them for free.

You want to vote? You show ID. Period. No excuses.

we waste so much money on so much other bullshit that subsidizing IDs would be pennys compared to the shit that actually gets my blood boiling so yeah second it.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
You want to vote? You show ID. Period. No excuses.
Agreed on this part.

However the ID requirements shouldn't be so onerous that they're meant to make it difficult if not impossible to have proper ID unless you do can do a proper song-and-dance routine the powers-that-be approve of just to get one.

That is kinda where we are in the US.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
When we voted in Canada, we need to bring some sort of government ID with a photo, name, and current address.

So I'm pretty sure the election we just had wasn't stolen.

Unfortunately my fellow citizens are dumb enough to vote in Trudeau the Red Potato again.
The first time I voted in the US back in the '90s the only ID I was asked for was my voter registration card so the poll workers could cross my name off of the list of voters who hadn't yet been given a ballot.
 

Bacle

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The first time I voted in the US back in the '90s the only ID I was asked for was my voter registration card so the poll workers could cross my name off of the list of voters who hadn't yet been given a ballot.
You need a gov ID to buy beer; having one for voting is not a burden, neither is providing proof of address.

Those are not insurmountable barriers, they are checks against election fraud, and the rhetoric you are using is the same bullshit lie the Dems have used for years to try to pretend voter fraud isn't a thing and that ID requirements are 'racist'.
 

Cherico

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You need a gov ID to buy beer; having one for voting is not a burden, neither is providing proof of address.

Those are not insurmountable barriers, they are checks against election fraud, and the rhetoric you are using is the same bullshit lie the Dems have used for years to try to pretend voter fraud isn't a thing and that ID requirements are 'racist'.

to be fair no party fights harder for the right of the decesed to vote then the democrats do.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
You need a gov ID to buy beer; having one for voting is not a burden, neither is providing proof of address.

Those are not insurmountable barriers, they are checks against election fraud, and the rhetoric you are using is the same bullshit lie the Dems have used for years to try to pretend voter fraud isn't a thing and that ID requirements are 'racist'.
You do not need ID to legally buy beer and all of the ID requirements past "are you old enough" are pretty much bullshit.
 

Bacle

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You do not need ID to legally buy beer and all of the ID requirements past "are you old enough" are pretty much bullshit.
I worked at a liquor store; we carded anyone that didn't have grey hair, and could legally refuse sale if a person would not present an ID or presented something we thought was fake.

So yes, you pretty much do need ID to buy beer, and the same ID you need for buying beer is acceptable for voting. Though with voting they also need address verification to make sure you actually live in the district you are voting for.
 

Abhishekm

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I still think about these 'barriers' to ID as the equivalent of dumb dumb forgot how to press his thumb in ink or mini scooter riding blobs who consider waiting in line too much physical activity.

Seriously India has thumbprint backed voter IDs. India, where half the country are still literal dirt farmers with cow pulled plows if they even have a cow to do it instead of themselves.

But ooh! Mean Republicans want me to pull out photo id to show who I am before I vote myself free moneytm .
 

Arlos

Sad Monarchist
I still think about these 'barriers' to ID as the equivalent of dumb dumb forgot how to pres his thumb in ink or mini scooter riding blobs who consider acting in line too much physical activity.

Seriously India has thumbprint backed voter IDs. India, where half the country are still literal dirt farmers with cow pulled plows if they even have a cow to do it instead of themselves.

But ooh! Mean Republicans want me to pull out photo id to show who I am before I vote myself free moneytm .
I think every serious democratic countries has voter ID, same in France, this resistance to it in the US is utterly baffling as it should be a basic standard necessary to achieve democratic votes, not even something to debate.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
As like you said is the case with voter ID, this is rarely if ever abused and those too young never go and buy alcohol?
They do regularly try and get told "no" with a phone call. My teenage daughters (11 and 12 at the time) tried to buy boose using my wife's ID and I was called before the police were. My daughters are still grounded from that bit of stupidity.
 

Zachowon

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They do regularly try and get told "no" with a phone call. My teenage daughters (11 and 12 at the time) tried to buy boose using my wife's ID and I was called before the police were. My daughters are still grounded from that bit of stupidity.
You need a lisnce to buy Tobacco, to enter bars, to buy alcohol. You have to have a license to drive.

hell, you just need ID, not even a license. Some states give IDs free
 

LordsFire

Internet Wizard
You do not need ID to legally buy beer and all of the ID requirements past "are you old enough" are pretty much bullshit.

You need photo ID in order to: (some variance by state with these)

1: Buy a house.
2: Rent an apartment.
3: Buy a gun.
4: Get on most any government welfare program.
5: Open a bank account.
6: Buy a car.
7: Rent a car.
8: Drive.

The list goes on, but I can't remember them all.

Yet the Democratic party doesn't complain about any of those things. They complain about 'unfair barriers to voting.'

If the requirement for photo ID is required for day-to-day things like having somewhere to live, which every adult needs to take care of, why then are the Democrats complaining about voting instead?

The answer is simple: Votes are what they need for their hold on power. The actual living conditions of the people they claim to champion? They don't give a damn.
 

strunkenwhite

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I worked at a liquor store; we carded anyone that didn't have grey hair, and could legally refuse sale if a person would not present an ID or presented something we thought was fake.

So yes, you pretty much do need ID to buy beer, and the same ID you need for buying beer is acceptable for voting. Though with voting they also need address verification to make sure you actually live in the district you are voting for.
Stores are allowed to have policies; your store could also legally refuse sale to someone with ID but without a shirt.

Regarding ID, I'm not a fan of laws designing what is and isn't acceptable ID for voting around what forms of ID black/white/Democrat/Republican voters tend to most commonly have "with almost surgical precision". Even if the ID itself is free, I also want there to be free access to the prerequisites to that ID, and plenty of access as far as where and when that ID and its prerequisites can be obtained. If that is done, then sure, I no longer care, sign us all up for government issued tattoos or whatever the hell.
 

Vyor

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Stores are allowed to have policies; your store could also legally refuse sale to someone with ID but without a shirt.


No, no they can't. Every US state has a law against selling alcohol to those under the age of 21 because of this act. You're either a liar or so ignorant that I don't think you should be able to vote.

also want there to be free access to the prerequisites to that ID,

... You mean like a birth certificate, a bill, or an SS number?
 

Bacle

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So a candidate for PA governor, Bill McSwain, who was a Trump appointee, said in a letter to Trump that Bill Barr ordered him to stand down and not investigate election irregularities and hand them to the PA AG who already said Trump would not/could not/did not win.

“As part of my responsibilities as U.S. Attorney, I wanted to be transparent with the public and, of course, investigate fully any allegations,” McSwain wrote. “Attorney General Barr, however, instructed me not to make any public statements or put out any press releases regarding possible election irregularities. I was also given a directive to pass along serious allegations to the State Attorney General for investigation — the same State Attorney General who had already declared that you could not win.”

Barr is saying that the candidate is trying to get Trump's endorsement and that's why he wrote the letter, and quotes him as saying over the phone that McSwain said the letter was technically accurate and he couldn't have Trump attacking him.

“Any suggestion that McSwain was told to stand down from investigating allegations of election fraud is false. It’s just false,” Barr said, adding that the assertions “appeared to have been made to mollify President Trump to gain his support for McSwain’s planned run for governor.”

And then this part is interesting:

A former Justice Department official, speaking on the condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive law enforcement matters, said McSwain had wanted to hold a news conference after Election Day decrying broad “irregularities.” Justice Department officials, including Barr, were opposed, saying it was the agency’s role to investigate allegations of fraud, not double check how elections are administered.

As well, the PA AG during teh 2020 election is looking at running for governor as well, so this could very seriously impact the PA gov race.
 

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