Had Trump been reelected in 2020, do you think that Putin would have still invaded Ukraine?

So, why didn't Putin invade Ukraine in 2019 or 2020 rather than in 2022? He might have gotten a softer US response in 2019 or 2020 due to Trump's isolationism, no?

Same reason he didn't invade in 2021 despite the war scare then; diplomacy was not yet exhausted in the Russian view and things still needed to be made ready if diplomacy failed. By 2021 the Russians had a lot of their sanction busting measures in place and in February of 2022 had signed a major deal with China that gave them further protection.

Poland isn't liberal so why are they supporting Ukraine?

Because Poland is a part of the Liberal World Order via membership in organizations like NATO, the EU, etc? Just see how much power the EU is able to assert on Poland via the usage of payments/fines. Finally:

 
Same reason he didn't invade in 2021 despite the war scare then; diplomacy was not yet exhausted in the Russian view and things still needed to be made ready if diplomacy failed. By 2021 the Russians had a lot of their sanction busting measures in place and in February of 2022 had signed a major deal with China that gave them further protection.



Because Poland is a part of the Liberal World Order via membership in organizations like NATO, the EU, etc? Just see how much power the EU is able to assert on Poland via the usage of payments/fines. Finally:


@Marduk
Hey, are there massive amounts of immigrants from the Middle East? What about all the SJW stuff the West has?
Does rhe EU have that strong of power in your country?
History ask a fucking Pole.


And I love how you support Russia like it is the last based place on earth.
Why is it based if it has the highestHIV infection rate? What about the innate corruption that leads to nothing changing.
Majority if the people in Rissia don't even have all the same kinda things people in the poorestbof eastern Europe have...
Like toilets and washer and dryers.

How is it this beacon of based and trad?

Should I mention how it allows Syrian gays, a higher up in Assads forces, or the fact that thier military relies on a bunch if mercs because they have had to imprison and hold hostage thier normal troops because they didn't want to fight?

Did you know Ukraine also isn't in EU or NATO and isn't ar all liberal?
They were just better off then the Ruskies
 
Because Poland is a part of the Liberal World Order via membership in organizations like NATO, the EU, etc? Just see how much power the EU is able to assert on Poland via the usage of payments/fines. Finally:
Yet still no gay marriage in Poland. Somehow.
By that childish logic Russia is a part of islamist and communist world order because it's allied with the communist China and Shia theocracy Iran.
Hence, if you support them, you are a traitor to the western civilization.
Do i need to remind you that the "liberal world order" was also against the Islamic State, with even more unity than in supporting Ukraine?
Do you stick by the shitty logic presented here and support the Islamic State?

Supporting overt enemies of the West because the covert ones have secured a lot of influence in the West sounds like the butt of some kind of a joke.
 
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Yet still no gay marriage in Poland. Somehow.
By that childish logic Russia is a part of islamist and communist world order because it's allied with the communist China and Shia theocracy Iran.
Hence, if you support them, you are a traitor to the western civilization.
Do i need to remind you that the "liberal world order" was also against the Islamic State, with even more unity than in supporting Ukraine?
Do you stick by the shitty logic presented here and support the Islamic State?

Supporting overt enemies of the West because the covert ones have secured a lot of influence in the West sounds like the butt of some kind of a joke.
He probably does honestly at this point
 
Yet still no gay marriage in Poland. Somehow.
By that childish logic Russia is a part of islamist and communist world order because it's allied with the communist China and Shia theocracy Iran.
Hence, if you support them, you are a traitor to the western civilization.
Do i need to remind you that the "liberal world order" was also against the Islamic State, with even more unity than in supporting Ukraine?
Do you stick by the shitty logic presented here and support the Islamic State?

Supporting overt enemies of the West because the covert ones have secured a lot of influence in the West sounds like the butt of some kind of a joke.

The "yet" in that opening sentence says it all. More Polish regions revoke anti-LGBT declarations over EU funds withdrawal:

Three more Polish regions have revoked anti-LGBT declarations over the threat of losing funds from the European Union. Councillors in the southern region of Małopolska confirmed on Monday that they had repealed their opposition to the LGBT "ideology." Authorities in the southeastern provinces of Lublin and Podkarpackie also abandoned the resolutions, according to the Polish PAP news agency. Last week, the regional assembly of Świętokrzyskie became the first to abandon their status as an "LGBT-free zone."​
Last week, the regional assembly of Świętokrzyskie became the first to abandon their status as an "LGBT-free zone." LGBT rights activists say the 2019 declarations made gays and lesbians feel unwelcome in Poland. The European Commission wrote to five Polish regional councils at the beginning of September urging them to abandon declarations to receive recovery funding. Earlier this year, the European Parliament also passed a resolution declaring the entire 27-member EU a “freedom zone” for LGBT people.​

As for ISIS, you mean like how U.S. documents from the time directly admit we were supporting the Islamists and Russia was opposed to them?



Hence, if you support them, you are a traitor to the western civilization.

And? Given the choice between Epstein's Island and supporting ISIS vs Russia, then I'm on the latter.

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@Marduk
Hey, are there massive amounts of immigrants from the Middle East? What about all the SJW stuff the West has?
Does rhe EU have that strong of power in your country?
History ask a fucking Pole.

I have, hence why I was able to know about the EU strong arming Polish localities into repealing their laws. You might also want to read up on, for example, the increase in rapes in Poland driven by the surging immigrant population?

And I love how you support Russia like it is the last based place on earth.
Why is it based if it has the highestHIV infection rate? What about the innate corruption that leads to nothing changing.
Majority if the people in Rissia don't even have all the same kinda things people in the poorestbof eastern Europe have...
Like toilets and washer and dryers.

And I love how you're too coward to address the Soros thing, so you start talking about "Washers and Dryers", as if materialism somehow equals "Based" in your mind. In reality, up until the sanctions since 2014, Russia had a higher GDP per capita than Poland with an equal standard of living. Maybe stop reading Kyiv Independent so you can learn a bit before trying to comment on it:


How is it this beacon of based and trad?

Should I mention how it allows Syrian gays, a higher up in Assads forces, or the fact that thier military relies on a bunch if mercs because they have had to imprison and hold hostage thier normal troops because they didn't want to fight?

Is that why George Soros supports Ukraine? Let's ask the Clintons while we're at it:



Did you know Ukraine also isn't in EU or NATO and isn't ar all liberal?
They were just better off then the Ruskies

Is that why they have a GDP per capita comparable to Africa and started having gay pride parades after the Maidan?
 
The "yet" in that opening sentence says it all. More Polish regions revoke anti-LGBT declarations over EU funds withdrawal:

Three more Polish regions have revoked anti-LGBT declarations over the threat of losing funds from the European Union. Councillors in the southern region of Małopolska confirmed on Monday that they had repealed their opposition to the LGBT "ideology." Authorities in the southeastern provinces of Lublin and Podkarpackie also abandoned the resolutions, according to the Polish PAP news agency. Last week, the regional assembly of Świętokrzyskie became the first to abandon their status as an "LGBT-free zone."​
Last week, the regional assembly of Świętokrzyskie became the first to abandon their status as an "LGBT-free zone." LGBT rights activists say the 2019 declarations made gays and lesbians feel unwelcome in Poland. The European Commission wrote to five Polish regional councils at the beginning of September urging them to abandon declarations to receive recovery funding. Earlier this year, the European Parliament also passed a resolution declaring the entire 27-member EU a “freedom zone” for LGBT people.​
So one set of virtue signallers backed down against the other in irrelevant symbolic declaration, hence globalists run the country.
Got it, your clownery is appreciated.
So back to conspiracy theories and really bad reading comprehension.
And simping for chicoms? Heard a lot of jobs for westerners willing to do that freed up recently. Perhaps you have considered migrating to Cuba? Shorter way to there, and they have communists in charge there too.
And? Given the choice between Epstein's Island and supporting ISIS vs Russia, then I'm on the latter.
What a dumb red herring take.
You think Russia, Chicoms or Iran don't have pedos among their elites too?
How conveniently ignorant of ya.
I won't even comment on the country where 13 year olds are legal.
And then there is the centerpiece, the pedo business center with nukes and gas stations you are simping for.
‘Unfortunately, for unclear reasons, the statute “Trafficking in Minors” was removed from the Criminal Code. We simply cannot now find a statute to deal with these kinds of people. The justice system has shown that…these activities are not considered to be such serious crimes. The court’s decision is a testament to that fact.’24 Dissatisfied with her punishment, the prosecutors brought additional charges for kidnapping for which she was eventually convicted and received a seven-year probationary (non-prison) sentence.
Despite the fact that the 2003 trafficking law could have been read to make buying-selling a crime on its own with the comma after ‘buying-selling’ being interpreted more like a semicolon, law enforcement agents like the one quoted above insisted that their hands were tied in cases of illegal adoption because there was no exploitation. The only other Criminal Code provision that could be used for these types of crimes was ‘illegal adoption’ (Article 154) but it required that the activity take place multiple times or with the intent to profit.25 Lawmakers were not pleased at what they considered a misinterpretation of the statute. In response to accusations by law enforcement that the Duma had de facto legalised child trafficking, Pavel Krasheninnikov, head of the Duma’s Legislative Committee accused law enforcement of incompetence:
There has been no legalization of child trafficking in our country….If earlier there was a ‘partial’ law, Article 152 (trafficking in minors), now there is a broader and more general statute, Article 127.1 (human trafficking) which provides for harsh punishment. The number of the statute has changed, but not its content, the statute reads ‘human trafficking’ so if there is a fact of trafficking, a criminal case should be opened. And buying-selling, that’s separate. What is written after that should be read as ‘or recruitment with the goal of exploitation, or transfer with the goal of exploitation, or harbouring with the goal of exploitation….’ It is a legal technicality. And those who don’t know that ought to relearn the basics. It’s not a problem with the Criminal Code, but with the Procuracy [prosecutor’s office].26
Ultimately, law enforcement’s wishes carried the day. In 2008, an amendment was made to the Criminal Code article on human trafficking to specify that buying-selling or any transaction involving a person could stand alone as a crime and did not require law enforcement to prove it was done for the purpose of exploitation. During the hearing on the amendment, Krasheninnikov stated: ‘From the academic point of view, “with the purpose of exploitation” is not a required element [of the crime], but in practice, we have gone down a path where implementers of the law always look for transactions with the goal of exploitation.’27 Additionally, the aggravating factor of trafficking someone ‘in a dependent state’ was added to cover babies. De-emphasising the ‘purpose of exploitation’ as a required element of the trafficking crime was a significant departure from the internationally recognised definition of human trafficking which sees exploitation as the defining element of the crime.
>accusations by law enforcement that the Duma had de facto legalised child trafficking
Yes, in Putin's based Russia :D
Are you proud of who you simp for?
Is that why they have a GDP per capita comparable to Africa and started having gay pride parades after the Maidan?
Idunno, why did they have GDP per capita comparable to Africa during the decades of being run by nice little Russia simps like you before Maidan? Don't you think that could have had something to do with Maidan happening in the first place?
 
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So one set of virtue signallers backed down against the other in irrelevant symbolic declaration, hence globalists run the country.
Got it, your clownery is appreciated.

So, which way is it? You cited Gay Marriage as a means of telling how based Poland is, now seem to be calling it virtue signalling? Meanwhile in Poland, Polish Court Rules That Four 'LGBT-Free Zones' Must Be Abolished:

A top Polish appeals court ruled on Tuesday that so-called "LGBT-free zones" must be scrapped in four municipalities, a verdict welcomed by activists as a victory for human rights and democracy. Numerous local authorities in Poland passed resolutions in 2019 declaring themselves free of "LGBT ideology", part of a conflict in the predominantly Catholic country between liberals and religious conservatives, who see the struggle for gay rights as a threat to traditional values.​
"LGBT-free zones" seek to ban what local authorities see as the promotion of homosexuality and other minority sexual identities, especially in schools. These moves set Poland on a collision course with the European Commission, which said the zones may violate EU law regarding non-discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation. After a legal challenge from Poland's Human Rights Ombudsman, lower courts ruled that nine such resolutions must be scrapped.​

Crazy how we're seeing the same exact trends that occurred in the United States play out in Poland...

So back to conspiracy theories and really bad reading comprehension.
And simping for chicoms? Heard a lot of jobs for westerners willing to do that freed up recently. Perhaps you have considered migrating to Cuba? Shorter way to there, and they have communists in charge there too.

It's an officially declassified document from the Defense Intelligence Agency, released by Judicial Watch. The reason you pivot to immediate "simping for the ChiComs" is because you can't actually address it, so you have to switch to attacking me over something I never said.

What a dumb red herring take.
You think Russia, Chicoms or Iran don't have pedos among their elites too?
How conveniently ignorant of ya.
I won't even comment on the country where 13 year olds are legal.
And then there is the centerpiece, the pedo business center with nukes and gas stations you are simping for.


>accusations by law enforcement that the Duma had de facto legalised child trafficking
Yes, in Putin's based Russia :D
Are you proud of who you simp for?

I love how I provoke such a rage filled reaction from you that you don't even bother to read your own sources:

Ultimately, law enforcement’s wishes carried the day. In 2008, an amendment was made to the Criminal Code article on human trafficking to specify that buying-selling or any transaction involving a person could stand alone as a crime and did not require law enforcement to prove it was done for the purpose of exploitation. During the hearing on the amendment, Krasheninnikov stated: ‘From the academic point of view, “with the purpose of exploitation” is not a required element [of the crime], but in practice, we have gone down a path where implementers of the law always look for transactions with the goal of exploitation.’27 Additionally, the aggravating factor of trafficking someone ‘in a dependent state’ was added to cover babies. De-emphasising the ‘purpose of exploitation’ as a required element of the trafficking crime was a significant departure from the internationally recognised definition of human trafficking which sees exploitation as the defining element of the crime.​
 
So, which way is it? You cited Gay Marriage as a means of telling how based Poland is, now seem to be calling it virtue signalling? Meanwhile in Poland, Polish Court Rules That Four 'LGBT-Free Zones' Must Be Abolished:

A top Polish appeals court ruled on Tuesday that so-called "LGBT-free zones" must be scrapped in four municipalities, a verdict welcomed by activists as a victory for human rights and democracy. Numerous local authorities in Poland passed resolutions in 2019 declaring themselves free of "LGBT ideology", part of a conflict in the predominantly Catholic country between liberals and religious conservatives, who see the struggle for gay rights as a threat to traditional values.​
"LGBT-free zones" seek to ban what local authorities see as the promotion of homosexuality and other minority sexual identities, especially in schools. These moves set Poland on a collision course with the European Commission, which said the zones may violate EU law regarding non-discrimination on grounds of sexual orientation. After a legal challenge from Poland's Human Rights Ombudsman, lower courts ruled that nine such resolutions must be scrapped.​

Crazy how we're seeing the same exact trends that occurred in the United States play out in Poland...
And yet still no gay marriage...
Bickering (and yes, it is pure bickering over legalities, four out of how many?) over virtue signalling declarations by local authorities doesn't change that, and has vastly lower significance in the grand scheme of things, and as such, has zero importance to grand questions about who is in charge of the country.
It's an officially declassified document from the Defense Intelligence Agency, released by Judicial Watch.
That you can't read. Where does it specifically say that USA supports ISIL?
I love how I provoke such a rage filled reaction from you that you don't even bother to read your own sources:
And more bad reading comprehension. Rage? You are not even worthy of my rage. Just contempt of your curiously ideologically guided lack of reading comprehension skills.
Ultimately, law enforcement’s wishes carried the day. In 2008, an amendment was made to the Criminal Code article on human trafficking to specify that buying-selling or any transaction involving a person could stand alone as a crime and did not require law enforcement to prove it was done for the purpose of exploitation. During the hearing on the amendment, Krasheninnikov stated: ‘From the academic point of view, “with the purpose of exploitation” is not a required element [of the crime], but in practice, we have gone down a path where implementers of the law always look for transactions with the goal of exploitation.’27 Additionally, the aggravating factor of trafficking someone ‘in a dependent state’ was added to cover babies. De-emphasising the ‘purpose of exploitation’ as a required element of the trafficking crime was a significant departure from the internationally recognised definition of human trafficking which sees exploitation as the defining element of the crime.​
And more cheap manipulation. If you read further, you would see that the source still considers the trafficking laws in Russia full of holes.
Ultimately, the narrow focus in Russia on trafficking as a transaction has had positive results in combating illegal adoption but has limited the attention law enforcement pays to the wider array of trafficking situations present on Russian soil. Understanding the genesis of law enforcement norms and practices surrounding human trafficking can help clarify how patterns of prosecution develop and are reinforced over time. As long as prosecution remains the primary focus of anti-trafficking policies, law enforcement will continue to define what anti-trafficking policy means on the ground. As this article has shown, these entrenched patterns of practice have significant strategic impacts, privileging certain groups and certain types of trafficking over others, regardless of what the laws on the books state.
 
And yet still no gay marriage...
Bickering over virtue signalling declarations by local authorities doesn't change that, and has vastly lower significance in the grand scheme of things, and as such, has zero importance to grand questions about who is in charge of the country.

As I said before, "Yet".

Gay Marriage in the United States was established not by popular vote or by national legislation, but was enacted via the courts. What exactly does that say about Poland's future when its courts are increasingly acting in that direction? If the EU is using its financial arms to force Polish municipalities to revoke their own laws, what exactly does that say about who actually has power within Poland?

That you can't read. Where does it specifically say that USA supports ISIL?

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And more bad reading comprehension. Rage? You are not even worthy of my rage. Just contempt of your curiously ideologically guided lack of reading comprehension skills.

Thank you for proving exactly what I said, now seethe harder. :)

And more cheap manipulation. If you read later, you would see that the source still considers the trafficking laws in Russia full of holes.

Or, instead of cherry picking, you can post the full context:

Russian law enforcement’s pursuit of trafficking cases has been driven by a focus on the buying and selling of a person rather than the more amorphous and difficult-to-apply concept of exploitation that is the focus of international definitions. This fits well with cultural conceptions of child trafficking as deeply connected to illegal adoption and also fits with law enforcement’s previous experience of using the law on trafficking in minors. Though the 2003 trafficking law used language that took this previous practice into consideration, it changed the focus just enough for law enforcement to believe that selling children had been legalised. When the law was amended in 2008, it again elevated buying and selling—the transactional element—to an equally important place in the legislative definition of human trafficking.​
Ultimately, the narrow focus in Russia on trafficking as a transaction has had positive results in combating illegal adoption but has limited the attention law enforcement pays to the wider array of trafficking situations present on Russian soil. Understanding the genesis of law enforcement norms and practices surrounding human trafficking can help clarify how patterns of prosecution develop and are reinforced over time. As long as prosecution remains the primary focus of anti-trafficking policies, law enforcement will continue to define what anti-trafficking policy means on the ground. As this article has shown, these entrenched patterns of practice have significant strategic impacts, privileging certain groups and certain types of trafficking over others, regardless of what the laws on the books state.​

There's literally nothing in here about a Russian pedophile class, you're just being a hack and misrepresenting it. As usual, you just resort to personal attacks and lying because that's all you are capable of against me; it's honestly amusing.
 
As I said before, "Yet".

Gay Marriage in the United States was established not by popular vote or by national legislation, but was enacted via the courts. What exactly does that say about Poland's future when its courts are increasingly acting in that direction?
It says good luck changing the constitution.
Marriage, as a union of a man and a woman,
If the EU is using its financial arms to force Polish municipalities to revoke their own laws, what exactly does that say about who actually has power within Poland?
Absolutely jack shit. The EU needs to mobilize its allied media apparatus and put big money on the line to bully some local municipalities over symbolic declarations. Much power. Great influence.
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Thank you for proving exactly what I said, now seethe harder. :)
Lol, learn to read harder. Seems like you have problems with understanding the difference between "ISIL" and "Salafists". It may be shocking to you, but those are different words with somewhat different meaning.
At least you are being a living piece of evidence your political faction's opinion of US education system, so you are good for something.

Or, instead of cherry picking, you can post the full context:

Russian law enforcement’s pursuit of trafficking cases has been driven by a focus on the buying and selling of a person rather than the more amorphous and difficult-to-apply concept of exploitation that is the focus of international definitions. This fits well with cultural conceptions of child trafficking as deeply connected to illegal adoption and also fits with law enforcement’s previous experience of using the law on trafficking in minors. Though the 2003 trafficking law used language that took this previous practice into consideration, it changed the focus just enough for law enforcement to believe that selling children had been legalised. When the law was amended in 2008, it again elevated buying and selling—the transactional element—to an equally important place in the legislative definition of human trafficking.​
Ultimately, the narrow focus in Russia on trafficking as a transaction has had positive results in combating illegal adoption but has limited the attention law enforcement pays to the wider array of trafficking situations present on Russian soil. Understanding the genesis of law enforcement norms and practices surrounding human trafficking can help clarify how patterns of prosecution develop and are reinforced over time. As long as prosecution remains the primary focus of anti-trafficking policies, law enforcement will continue to define what anti-trafficking policy means on the ground. As this article has shown, these entrenched patterns of practice have significant strategic impacts, privileging certain groups and certain types of trafficking over others, regardless of what the laws on the books state.​

There's literally nothing in here about a Russian pedophile class, you're just being a hack and misrepresenting it. As usual, you just resort to personal attacks and lying because that's all you are capable of against me; it's honestly amusing.
There is nothing about the Russian pedophile class, except their rulers conveniently leave the law full of holes for pedophiles to exploit even when pressured to fix it, they only do so partially. How curious... Wonder who writes those laws...
 
OK, I am really starting to rethink my support for Ukraine right now.

Nobody who is supported by George bloody Soros can be anything approaching good or respectable.
Lucifer opposing God is part of God's plan. Sometimes they're on the same side of "you just went too far".

That's how I'm reading Soros' tweet.
 
Lucifer opposing God is part of God's plan. Sometimes they're on the same side of "you just went too far".

That's how I'm reading Soros' tweet.

Maybe. Most likely, Soros and co. provoked Putin into attacking Ukraine in order to push Ukraine into debt slavery and gain control over Ukraine's wheat fields.

After all, they tried something similar with Croatia in 1990s, but Tudjman outplayed them by giving Croatian companies to native oligarchs instead of selling them to foreigners. Of course, once Tudjman died, they immediately went and compensated for that setback.
 
Maybe. Most likely, Soros and co. provoked Putin into attacking Ukraine in order to push Ukraine into debt slavery and gain control over Ukraine's wheat fields.

After all, they tried something similar with Croatia in 1990s, but Tudjman outplayed them by giving Croatian companies to native oligarchs instead of selling them to foreigners. Of course, once Tudjman died, they immediately went and compensated for that setback.
No.
History Learner is a vatnik that thinks Russia is this based country.

When it supports Assad who has a commander of one of his best units being Gay with many boyfriends.
Russia has the highest HIV infection rate in the world.
It's current president has had MANY accusations of being a pedo, in a country known for being one of the worst Human trafficking countries in the world.
They also invaded a country with no reason besides wanting to take back lands.
And I should mention that the leader of Wagner is a Neo Nazi.
 
Lucifer opposing God is part of God's plan. Sometimes they're on the same side of "you just went too far".

That's how I'm reading Soros' tweet.
Funny enough I was watching a local conservative YouTube show that explained that Soros was actually the modern disciple of Trotsky, and that most of the strong federalism in the EU, including its support in the media, is also Trotskyite.
 
OK, I am really starting to rethink my support for Ukraine right now.

Nobody who is supported by George bloody Soros can be anything approaching good or respectable.
That's just silly:
Soros hates competition who keep access to shady money schemes to themselves rather than give them to him, but doesn't make the competition any better.
 
Russia has the highest HIV infection rate in the world.
You are completely wrong about this ... along with many other things you say.

Russia isn't even close to having the highest HIV infection rate. That "honor" belongs to sub-Saharan Africa.


Yes, Russian HIV rates are about 70 times higher than American HIV rates but they aren't anywhere close to the worst by any stretch of the immagination.
 

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